[Osmf-talk] Commitment to open communication channels

[Mateusz Konieczny]

Aug 17, 2020, 19:41 by heatherleson at gmail.com:

> Ok, let me ask you this: 
>
> 1. Do you think the OMSF mailing list is where all community members feel safe and included to communicate?
>
No, and it is true about any communication channel.

> 2. If not, what steps can we take to do this better?
>
I have no specific proposals.

> 3. If osmf continues down this road, how will they do so to also be ssfe, inclusive and equitable in terms of power and true dialogue?
>
I am convinced that ensuring that primary and essential OSMF communication will
not be happen on service that may ban you randomly, without reason, without appeal
is a good way to improve inclusivity, equitability and so on.

Secondary communication may happen also elsewhere to reach more people and
further improve inclusivity.

> 4. What will each person responding to make sure that: more women respond, more people from other regions of the world respond, and, more importantly, that this is a safe and inclusive mailing list that is truly global, truly equitable and truly safe?
>
We cannot force that and truly global communication is limited by many factors,
typically extremely hard to fix.

Important steps were taken recently to make OSMF membership easier for people,
especially from regions where membership fee was a barier.

Yes, fee waiver existed but "I am really poor" application was for many people 
problematic for cultural reasons, humiliating and current situation 
is a significant improvement.

I think that spreading word about that 42 days of mapping within last year qualifies
you to be an OSMF member is the best way to increase diversity of OSMF and hopefully
also this mailing list.

I am quite proud that I managed to convince some people from Polish OSM community
to join (post on OSM forum and Telegram group).


>
> Thanks again for the dialogue
>
> Heather 
>
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2020, 19:33 john whelan, <> jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> > wrote:
>
>> I think formal communications should be done on an open platform.
>>
>> There is a danger that Facebook or something similar could exclude some people and if it is a discussion that impacts the map start it on Slack if you will but it should not mean that decisions about imports etc are made there since not all mappers have access to Facebook, Slack etc.
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 13:27 Heather Leson <>> heatherleson at gmail.com>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Great. I guess I ask because the people responding are long time OSM members. I value you, truly. Honest.
>>>
>>> But here we are- a small circle talking on this mailing list. Maybe open is not just the platform but the ways we work to collaborate and communicate across gender, region and power.
>>>
>>> Again, I get the open platform focus. In an ideal world where we all engage with the same interent access and communications methods, this works. However, I am asking "does this limit our ability to be a truly inclusive equitable global community"?  Not an easy question, but I guess I would like to hear from other community voices. 
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Heather 
>>>
>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2020, 19:14 Martin Koppenhoefer, <>>> dieterdreist at gmail.com>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> sent from a phone
>>>>  
>>>>  > On 17. Aug 2020, at 18:39, Andy Townsend <>>>> ajt1047 at gmail.com>>>> > wrote:
>>>>  > 
>>>>  > That's pretty much how I've been interpreting it - things that people "really ought to be able to read" will be written somewhere that's public, rather than a private channel from which content might disappear at any time (like Facebook, etc.).
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  or services which some might prefer to not use because they don’t want their accesses traced, like google documents.
>>>>  
>>>>  Cheers Martin 
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