[Osmf-talk] Geolibres Local Chapter application for Argentina

Tue May 5 10:17:34 UTC 2020

Am 05.05.2020 um 11:39 schrieb Craig Allan:
> Re Simon comment:
>
> Sorry, I must have missed something. We should discuss. 
>
> The translation is a bit opaque, but I read in Article 5 that:
> a) full voting membership is available to an active OSM contributor,
> subject to an introduction by an existing active member and approval
> by the board.

That is the point, self-selection of members clearly does not fulfil the
requirement of a democratically organised organisation open to all.

> b) there will be an associate ("adherent") non-voting membership for
> those who do not meet the above criteria.
>
> It excludes legal minors, but any adult is unconditionally eligible
> for at least one of the two classes of member. It seems quite similar
> to OSMF.  I regard it as fitting the criterion for easy mass membership.
>
It excludes everybody that is not already a "friend" of an existing member.

Now there may be some legal restrictions that require two tiers of
membership and slightly different voting rights (the best example of
this is the OSMF itself) however the rationale behind the structure is
not given in any of the documents that accompany the application.

If the "cabal" structure is legally required there are still ways to
address this, for example the LC agreement could require the
organisation to provide a "proxy member" that will recommend all
applications to the board, or a similar fudge that can be enshrined in
the agreement.

But as said, I don't understand why this wasn't addressed by the LCCWG
before it got here.

> I don't have anything to do with HOT so can't comment on the window
> dressing aspect.  Please explain...

The non-voting membership tier (HOT doesn't have that).

Simon

>
> regards
> Craig
> ===========
>
> On 2020/05/05 10:26, Simon Poole wrote:
>>
>>
>> Am 05.05.2020 um 07:48 schrieb Craig Allan:
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> Checklist:
>>> 1. Non-profit entity
>>> 2. easy mass membership etc.
>>
>> You must be reading a different document than I am. The major problem
>> with the application is that their AoAs don't allow for this, instead
>> it uses a HoT like model with some window dressing.
>>
>> I'm actually surprised that the LCCWG allowed the application to move
>> forward to this stage without having the obvious issue addressed.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>> 3. dedicated to OSMF and OSM project.
>>>
>>> I think the articles of association/registration documents are
>>> compliant with the requirements.
>>> The office bearers I have googled seem to be GIS professionals of
>>> one sort or another, giving the chapter good intellectual capital. 
>>> I'd like to have had access to their OSM contributor user names, but
>>> it's not (currently) in the requirements. 
>>>
>>> The application is complete, meets the requirements, there are no
>>> obvious areas of concern.
>>>
>>> APPROVED
>>>
>>> Craig Allan
>>> (Username: cRaIgalLAn)
>>> ====================================
>>>
>>> On 2020/05/04 21:59, Joost Schouppe [OSMF secretary] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You may be aware that *Geolibres* has applied to become an official
>>>> Local Chapter of the OpenStreetMap Foundation. As part of the
>>>> application process, we would like to ask you, *the OSMF
>>>> membership* how you feel about this. Do you support this
>>>> application? Do you have any questions, comments or concerns?
>>>>
>>>> You can find all the information about this Local Chapter
>>>> application on the OSMF website:
>>>> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Argentina
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We will close this round of discussion two weeks from now (May 4th
>>>> +14 days).
>>>> You can reply here or send a message to board at osmfoundation.org
>>>> <http://osmfoundation.org>
>>>> I am looking forward to hearing your responses.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you to the *Geolibres* team for this submission.
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>>
>>>> Joost Schouppe
>>>> /Secretary/
>>>> /OpenStreetMap Foundation/
>>>>
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