[Osmf-talk] Idea for improved mapping system

Tue Oct 20 08:38:35 UTC 2020

Bonjour chers tous. Moi je suis au Cameroun et je suis contributeur OSM. je
lis vos mails avec beaucoup d'intérêt mais à cause de la différence de
langue je m'abstiens de répondre depuis. j'espère pouvoir me faire
comprendre. en effet nous contribuons dans le cadre de certains projets au
Cameroun. tout récemment nous avons travaillé dans une petite zone en cote
d'ivoire. nous avons pu faire l'occupation du sol de tout le Cameroun en 6
mois.
mais vu vos intervention je me rend compte qu'il y a encore énormément de
travail à faire et c'est vraiment agréable de cartographier dans une zone
où l'occupation du sol a déjà été fait. on a toutes les données à portée de
main. du coup je me dit qu'un travail en solo serait bien. même si la
contribution n'est pas très grande c'est déjà bien d'apporter un plus peu
importe la taille. comment puis je donc être utile?

Le mar. 20 oct. 2020 à 03:26, Naveen Francis <naveenpf at gmail.com> a écrit :

> Hello Simon,
>
> There are few things which we us the OSM community have to put in place.
> 1. Welcoming tool. - Many of us talked many times, a couple of countries
> it is already in place and it is helping them.
> 2. Rewards/Awards - Question is it useful ??
>
> Rewards/Awards have been implemented very well in ' Wikipedia Barnstars',
> 'Google Local Guides',
> I have never heard this argument that Wikipedia Barnstar is destroying the
> Wikipedia project.
>
> Do we need to analyze why our earlier systems have failed?
> Isn't better to improvise the system?
>
> If we sit and say, it has failed previously and it will always fail, don't
> try that. It has no good impact.
>
> The community tries different things first they fail and understand what
> went wrong and then improvise
> Are you saying that previous systems that were in place were completely
> useless?
>
> Anyway, I am planning to send an OSM postcard and a couple of stickers to
> users who have completed 1000 edits.
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/naveenpf/diary/394323>
>
> Thanks,
> naveenpf
>
>
> On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 at 14:58, Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch> wrote:
>
>>
>> Am 18.10.2020 um 10:18 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via osmf-talk:
>>
>> As usual with other stopped projects in OSM - people working on it
>> abandoned it due to a lost interest.
>>
>> At the danger of stating the obvious, these schemes have in all failed
>> because they were either not effective (the wiki badge stuff) or too
>> effective (essentially any gamification of mapping, including initial SC
>> btw) and have led to vandalism at larger scales and trying to suppress that
>> is too much work.
>>
>> On a more philosophical note it is best for the project if we retain
>> mappers because they have a motivation to contribute, a desire for
>> completeness, participating in another activity that needs good map data
>> and naturally simply liking mapping, that is closely linked to map data
>> quality, not because they are being paid in one way or the other
>> (absolution is the most popular form, but money naturally too).
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>> Oct 18, 2020, 07:08 by naveenpf at gmail.com:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> It would be really nice to have an awards or badges system inside OSM.
>>
>> Have seen a couple of pages on that in OSM wiki. (first saw on Mikel's
>> userpage - North Star !!! )
>> Don't know why it stopped ?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> naveenpf
>>
>> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Awards
>> [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Badges
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 at 07:09, Christopher Beddow <
>> christopher.beddow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I feel like we could take the How Did You Contribute stats from Pascal
>> Neis and prototype some badges based on that.
>>
>> Anyone could do this, just build it separately from the OpenStreetMap
>> website, for now anyway, as a proof of concept.
>>
>> The stats are all there to analyze. Give somebody a badge for being a
>> local expert inside a city or country, with a minimum number of changesets.
>> Other badges based on adding, modifying, or deleting data. Maybe a Cleanup
>> Specialist if deleting a lot for example.
>>
>> For bad changesets and edits, points and a gamification can help. If you
>> get a flagged changeset, you get a message that you can fix it with help,
>> and that you can earn a badge for it like a "Mentee Level 1", showing you
>> have been approved by other Mappers for fixing a mistake, but you could get
>> the same badge for making a series of perfect edits endorsed by an existing
>> mapper. Or a bad edit blocks you from getting it, but you get informed that
>> you can qualify if you work with somebody to fix the mistake. Motivational!
>>
>> Then badges based on data types: a road runner who adds a lot of roads,
>> badges for fixing speed limits, a POI Hound, etc. Then maybe in apps like
>> street complete or vespucci you can get recommended to fix or enrich the
>> nearby map in a way that's tailored to your specialty.
>>
>> I would love to have little stickers or pins at a state of the map
>> conference which show the badges I got on OSM, and I could find other
>> Mappers who have a strange interest in adding utility poles or electric car
>> chargers or hiking trails just like me. You could even have a badge for
>> contributing to the map on every continent, or for contributing a minimum
>> number with survey as a source, with GPS as a source, or a language badge
>> for adding like 50+ place names in any particular language like Spanish or
>> Swahili.
>>
>> You could set all this up outside OSM but any user could log onto this
>> site and see what badges they qualify for. As I aid the data and stats all
>> exist, just time to categorize them. I'm happy to help think about this.
>>
>> It would be fun to take some inspiration from scouting organizations (Boy
>> Scouts, Girl Scouts etc) for merit badge scenarios which is separate from a
>> sort of rank/title, and sketch out what helps a mapper qualify for these.
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2020, 19:05 Clifford Snow <clifford at snowandsnow.us>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Oscar,
>> I saw your post on Slack and glad to see you are also posting on a
>> mailing list. I'd suggest asking on the talk list,
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk, to reach more people. The
>> OSMF-Talk mailing list is for Foundation related issues. The Foundation is
>> more about running the servers, licensing, etc. The Foundation isn't
>> directly involved in day to day mapping. On the other hand, we are always
>> looking for more Working Group volunteers. You can find a list of the
>> Working Groups at https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Groups. If
>> anyone of the groups interests you, feel free to reach out to them. Each
>> group has an email that you can contact them for more information.
>>
>> Best,
>> Clifford
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 4:51 PM TheAdventurer64 <
>> little.banana.peel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> A user and I were talking about implementing a system for better mapping,
>> as described here:
>> https://osmus.slack.com/archives/C029HV951/p1602968516431900
>> This addition would have many benefits, including:
>> * More mapping. We have tons of new mappers each day, as well as a great
>> editor for them. However, many of these new mappers leave after just a few
>> edits. Examples:
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lukastheg03
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Th3Roomi3
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