[Osmf-talk] Google Open Buildings now licensed ODbL

[Martin Machyna]

I don't think I want to go about it as a choosing beggar. If you don't like
it, don't use it.


On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 12:24 AM Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> If they really wanted to be helpful, they'd let us use their overhead &
> street imagery, which would then also help them!
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
>
>
> On Sat, 4 Dec 2021 at 13:24, Martin Machyna <machyna at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If we go with CC-BY 4.0 + waiver, would that solve the problem?
>>
>>
>> As a side note, I don't think it is healthy for us to think about
>> somebody as a competitor. We are here to create/gather geospatial data and
>> provide it for free to everybody, not to compete with someone. As far as I
>> know Google is not a data provider, but rather a provider of map services
>> so if it is competing with someone it is more Mapbox, Geofabrik,... etc.
>> Google has decided to help us and recently also started using our data, I
>> think we should embrace it as a recognition of our hard work and use any
>> help there is to fulfill our mission.
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 7:41 PM Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Am 17.09.2021 um 17:02 schrieb Mikel Maron:
>>> > Agreed this shouldn't be used for bulk import. Human reviewed
>>> conflation and editing signal I think will be useful in some regions.
>>>
>>> It seems as if this is now available via RapiD and it is likely going to
>>> be added come what may.
>>>
>>> I know nobody asked for my opinion, but I don't consider it a
>>> particularly good idea that somebody will need to go back to google and
>>> ask for their permission to retain the data if OSM ever decides it wants
>>> to change its licence. While it is true that there have been, and
>>> continue to be, other cases in which ODbL licensed data has been
>>> imported (not that I consider that a particularly good idea in those
>>> cases either), it hasn't been from a de facto competitor that is known
>>> to change its policies at the drop of a hat.
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Friday, September 17, 2021, 09:54:53 AM EDT, <dfjkman at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hi all,
>>> >
>>> > As an example as to why it is not a good idea to use this data for a
>>> bulk import have a look at this link of one small part of Lusaka (
>>> https://sites.research.google/open-buildings/?lat=-15.390364893412949&lng=28.321204487879392&zoom=17#explore),
>>> select the hybrid option to see how out it is. This shopping centre is
>>> several years old.
>>> >
>>> > Dave
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: Mikel Maron <mikel.maron at gmail.com>
>>> > Sent: 17 September 2021 15:20
>>> > To: osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org
>>> > Subject: Re: [Osmf-talk] Google Open Buildings now licensed ODbL
>>> >
>>> > As agreed with Google, I've added Google Buildings to the list of
>>> Contributors,
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Multiple_African_countries
>>> >
>>> > * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Thursday, September 16, 2021, 12:29:52 PM EDT, Mikel Maron <
>>> mikel.maron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > https://sites.research.google/open-buildings/#faq
>>> >
>>> > OSM can now use this data set. Very interesting change to see G
>>> support OSM directly.
>>> >
>>> > Noting the prior discussion on quality issues on this list, expect to
>>> see this more useful in peri-urban and rural areas. The FAQ notes the
>>> importance of human review and when possible local knowledge
>>> >
>>> > -Mikel
>>> >
>>> > * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>>> >
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