[Osmf-talk] OpenStreetMap Poland Local Chapter Application
Dominik Danelski
dominik at danelski.pl
Tue Feb 2 00:05:39 UTC 2021
Hello, I would like to confirm that the work of this organisation is
beneficial for our local community and as one of it's tasks is being a
sort of "official" representation of OSM to the outside world eg. the
government getting a status of a local chapter would probably ensure
it's position in this regard for the good of all.
W dniu 01.02.2021 o 23:47, Tim Couwelier pisze:
> Yea, the finance part was a minor issue tbh, but given I was asking, I
> went all out on the questions.
> The fee seems even more reasonable at 0,5 pct of the minimum wage (if
> you calculate the annual fee back to a monthly ratio)
>
> As for votes present - it does avoid a deadlock (unless you end up
> really struggling to get a quarter of voters together to amend the
> AoA). I'm not sure if that requires PHYSICAL presence to be entitled
> to vote, or if online attendance can suffice.(especially with the
> current global situation)
> For OSM belgium (where I'm part of) it's less of an issue as we are
> smaller, but I could see people facing 4+ hour travels to get to
> warsaw, at which point exercising the right to vote becomes both a
> hassle and an considerable expense.
>
> Either way, it's mostly thoughts I'm throwing out here, relating back
> to some of the things OSM-BE worried about when it was our turn to
> prepare of this process... Cherry-pick whatever feedback seems
> helpful. :)
>
> Op ma 1 feb. 2021 om 23:27 schreef Mateusz Konieczny via osmf-talk
> <osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org <mailto:osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org>>:
>
> Feb 1, 2021, 22:49 by tim.couwelier at gmail.com
> <mailto:tim.couwelier at gmail.com>:
>
> I may have skimmed over it, but right now I'm unclear about if
> that's an annual recurring fee, or a 'once at signup'. If
> membership is not tied to activity (or subscription renewal)
> you risk ending to struggle to reach voting quota in a few years.
>
> Is it common to have quota expressed as a ratio of the 'votes
> present' rather then total usercount?
>
> 'votes present' ensures that things will not deadlock with group
> of inactive members
>
> No idea whatever it is a local standard and ended there by default
> or is it some weird invention (the same goes for membership
> acceptance where idea of changing it sounds nice but would be probably
> quite time-consuming - and no idea is it conflicting with
> something [not a lawyer]).
>
> -------
>
> For fee - it is a yearly recurring fee, right now it is 1.8% of
> monthly minimum wage
> in Poland (50 PLN = 11.1 Euro = 13.4$).
>
> Fee waiving for activity is tricky, as from what I know basically
> all members
> are mappers and it would end with either
>
> - sponsorship - or The Sponsoring Anti-Pattern to be more exact.
> Single entity funding everything is a disaster waiting to happen
> and we
> would be lucky to get one and no chance at all for some healthy
> diversification
>
> - confusing "there is no fee, but you should pay fee because otherwise
> we can't host anything interesting"
>
> - zero or nearly zero funds what is likely suboptimal
>
> Given that organization is tiny (in 2019 total budget was 2207 PLN
> = 490 Euro = 590$,
> though note that it may increase in coming years due to increase
> of yearly fee done this year).
>
> I suspect that for such tiny scale it may be better to have such
> fee to have some kind of stability...
>
> Please consider the above as well-meant questions /
> suggestions / considerations. It's by no means my intention to
> try and halt the process, but other may have similar questions
> (or answers) to the above.
>
>
> Op ma 1 feb. 2021 om 22:13 schreef Mateusz Konieczny via
> osmf-talk <osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org
> <mailto:osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org>>:
>
> As one of local mappers from Poland I fully support this
> application.
>
> And in my opinion this organization and people involved
> represent local mappers
> and doing a good job (for example in case of some
> organizations having an official
> foundation is useful to be treated seriously).
>
> Feb 1, 2021, 21:52 by rory.mccann at osmfoundation.org
> <mailto:rory.mccann at osmfoundation.org>:
>
> Hello,
>
> You may be aware that Stowarzyszenie OpenStreetMap
> Polska has applied to become an official Local Chapter
> of the OpenStreetMap Foundation for Poland. As part of
> the application process, we would like to ask you, the
> OSMF membership, about this. Do you support this
> application? Do you have any questions, comments or
> concerns?
>
> You can find all the information about this Local
> Chapter application on the OSMF website:
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Poland
>
> We will close this round of discussion two weeks from
> now (i.e. 14 Feb 2021).
> You can reply here or contact the OSMF Board
> privately: board at osmfoundation.org
> <mailto:board at osmfoundation.org>
> Please tell anyone about this application who might be
> interested. We want feedback.
>
> I am looking forward to hearing your responses.
>
> Thank you to the OSM Poland team for this submission.
>
> --
>
> Rory McCann
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