[Osmf-talk] Possible Fedi/Masto usage | Re: The use of Free and Open Source Software in the OpenStreetMap Foundation - FOSS...
Rory McCann
rory at technomancy.org
Tue Feb 2 21:17:12 UTC 2021
only a handful. kiwifarms has on fedi instance apparently. gab tried to get on the fediverse, and were widely blocked, incl. by en.osm.town. Though I think they've given up on the fediverse now. It should be clear why.
On Tue, 02 Feb 2021 22:07, Andrew Hain <andrewhainosm at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Does en.osm.town block access to any other Fediverse nodes? If so, why?
>
> --
> Andrew
> *From:* Rory McCann <rory at technomancy.org>
> *Sent:* 02 February 2021 20:51
> *To:* Mikel Maron <mikel.maron at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* OSMF FOSS Policy Committee <foss at osmfoundation.org>; OSMF Talk
> <osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Osmf-talk] Possible Fedi/Masto usage | Re: The use of
> Free and Open Source Software in the OpenStreetMap Foundation - FOSS...
>
> FYI, en.osm.town uses the popular Mastodon software from
> https://masto.host. For features, you can look into what Mastodon does.
>
> On Tue, 02 Feb 2021 12:42, Mikel Maron <mikel.maron at gmail.com> wrote:
> > As part of the CWG, we're considering this. The idea of ownership over
> > posts, and easily posting to multiple channels are good, allowing
> > people to read where they are (@openstreetmap has 74.5K followers on
> > Twitter). My questions here are about the experience, reliability and
> > dependencies.
>
> The experience of Mastodon is consideribly better than Twitter (which
> on masto we refer to as “the hell site”). Masto (unlike Twitter) has
> many features that help marginalized people. It took insighting an
> armed amateur invasion of the US government session for Twitter to ban
> Donald Trump. The American Nazi Party had a twitter account until a few
> years ago. Masto is split into separate instances, which can have their
> own moderation rules & standards, and federation standards. Most masto
> servers are either Queers/LGBTQ* people or some FLOSS/Chaos people (or
> both! 🙂). Masto has content warnings, and anti-harassment features
> like no quote boosts (“retweets”), and only searching on hashtags, not
> plain text.
>
> IME there is often much more, more kinder, interaction with people on
> Masto/Fedi. It's much more.. social. If you ask questions, people
> answer. People chat back.
>
> Oh and it's open source, with open protocols, developed in the open by
> people who care, rather than VC funded.
>
> > How do you set up syndication? Is that built into osm.town, or via another site?
>
> Mastodon is an implementation of the ActivityPub protocol (aka “the
> fediverse”). Which is how the fediverse does syndication. It's
> fundamentally a syndication system! That's how status updates (“toots”)
> are sent to/from other servers & websites. Additionally, mastodon
> generates RSS feed for every user, which was build for syndicating
> (e.g. https://en.osm.town/@openstreetmap.rss )
>
> Twitter, naturally, doesn't support federation, or syndication, like
> this. You need to use third party services, which you could self-host,
> which will post to/from both, a “cross-poster”. I currently use this
> https://crossposter.masto.donte.com.br/ (source:
> https://github.com/renatolond/mastodon-twitter-poster ). There is also
> https://moa.party/ .
>
> Details on the Mastodon ⇄ Twitter crossposter, which should answer some
> of your questions:
> https://github.com/renatolond/mastodon-twitter-poster#features
>
> > Does syndication automatically repost everything, or is another action
> > needed?
>
> For the Mastodon ⇄ Twitter cross posting software above you can
> configure it to do (i) everything (ii) everything unless a hashtag/word
> is used, or (iii) only when certain hashtags/words are used
>
> For my mastodon account, it only cross posts to twitter when there's a
> “#xp” hashtag https://en.osm.town/@rory and it only posts from twitter
> to mastodon for an #OpenStreetMap hashtag
>
> > Why are some @openstreetmap tweets missing
> > from https://en.osm.town/@openstreetmap?
>
> Because I was using a hacky script on my server that used a third party
> twitter RSS server that stopped working. 🙂 Probably because twitter
> doesn't like these things.
>
> > Do tweets posted by syndication from osm.town look identical as if
> > posted directly in Twitter? Can you include photos?
>
> Twitter & Mastodon have different features. e.g. Twitter doesn't have
> content warnings, or custom emojis. Most fediverse software (incl. the
> mastodon on en.osm.town) support toots up to 500 characters. So
> pedantically, they can never be identical. 😉
>
> Here's an example of a retweet, with a video, cross-posted to Mastodon:
>
> Original tweet: https://twitter.com/lalonde/status/1352550184593600512
> How it looks on Mastodon: https://en.osm.town/@rory/105598697175057947
>
> > How do you @- someone on Twitter from osm.town? Retweet or reply to them?
>
> Twitter hasn't implemented support for ActivityPub, or any other type
> of federated system like this, so you can't send them messages like
> this. On en.osm.town, you can send @mentions to any other servers on
> the fediverse.
>
> > Is there a way to share an account on osm.town with a group of people,
> > to spread out responsibility for posting?
>
> Alas, I pretty sure mastodon doesn't have this feature. You have to
> give everyone the password. I'm the admin of the en.osm.town, so if
> someone does change the password to do something dodgy, I can always
> step in and fix it. That should alleviate some concerns.
>
> Does that answer your questions?
>
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