[Osmf-talk] [Diversity-talk] Should OSMF adopt a policy about State of the Map conference in places that are LGBTQ*/etc unsafe?
Imre Samu
pella.samu at gmail.com
Fri Oct 29 14:04:17 UTC 2021
> If you can share advice on making SotM (& OSM) more open to people
affected by this,
> I am open to hearing it. 🙂 What do you think we should do?
IMHO: There is no easy answer;
My thinking framework:
*A.) Zero-Sum(fixed pie; win/lose) solutions:*
- no change;
- choose by randomizations;
- lock the winners and the losers(as Amanda proposed);
And we have to check the "second-order effects":
- resources? The trademark usage == (Sponsor money + OSMF technical and
financial support)
- more cross-cultural conflicts? (antagonistic feelings towards "winners"
?)
- ...
*B.) "True Inclusivity Strategy"; "Non-Zero-Sum"; "Win-Win"; "the size of
the pie is not fixed" solutions.*
motto: *'Inclusion is not an “us versus them” game. It’s a togetherness
game where everybody should win.'*
So What about inventing a "multiple continent/city" hybrid OSMF conference?
(a mix of multiple live places and virtual events)
so in y2026 the OSM community members can choose:
- Virtual [Day1,Day2,Day3,Day4] (via internet)
- Continent-A [Day1,Day2,Day3,Day4] (primary events)
- Continent-B [ Day3,Day4]
- Continent-C [ Day3,Day4]
- Continent-D [ Day3,Day4]
- Continent-E [ Day3,Day4]
- City-G [ Day2 ] watch-together + workshops
- City-H [ Day3 ] LMBTQ+ + watch-together + workshops
- City-I [ Day3 ] Islamic + watch-together + workshops
(burqua allowed)
- City-J [ Day3 Day4] OSM Data Science + AI workshops
- City-N [ Day4] naturists mappers ( watch together in a
"naturist safe place" )
- City-M [ Day4] Mandalorian Mappers watch-together
(motto:"This is the Way")
- City-Vatican[ Day4] Christian mappers -
watch-and-pray-together
- ...
in y2026: The OSM event cookbook is based on the forked version of
https://discover-cookbook.numfocus.org/
motto:* "You do not have to implement every suggestion in the cookbook in
order to "qualify" as having a diverse and inclusive event!"*
example suggestions:
https://discover-cookbook.numfocus.org/02_minimal_measures/
in y2026: We have excellent Family/Partners/Spouse support in the events.
(it is important for the sustainable community)
- Allowing children (and spouses) to attend one or more social events.
- Creating a lot of map related games/workshops
(Textil/painting/creativity/etc)
example: children mapping party in the Zoo!
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-07782-3
https://www.pnas.org/content/115/12/2845
https://www.smartmeetings.com/tips-tools/108263/low-cost-tips-for-family-friendly-conferences
in y2026:
- We have an "Inclusive leadership" program for the OSM community
organizers.
- We have an "Ethical Data user" program
- We have an "Ethical OSM mapper" program
- We have "tools" for avoiding the "culture wars" ( in our community)
- We invented an "OSM-Speak" language;
This is based on English, designed to facilitate polite
communication between OSM mappers;
Thanks for reading,
Imre
Amanda McCann <amanda.mccann at osmfoundation.org> ezt írta (időpont: 2021.
okt. 12., K, 23:24):
> [to summarize my replies]
>
> I think there's a common misunderstanding, so I will clarify: I think it
> is acceptable for the State of the Map to take place in a venue that is
> unsafe to LGBTQ+ people *if there is no other alternative because that's
> what the region is like*. Under my proposal, you could have a “SotM
> Republic of Gilead”¹.
>
> On Thu, 07 Oct 2021 15:46 +02:00, Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch> wrote:
> > what criteria must an event fulfil to be able to use the "State of the
> Map" brand. Conference
> > organizers that, for whatever reason, cannot meet those criteria could
> > still run an OSM related event with different branding and do without
> > OSMF blessing.
>
> Correct. For example, i don't think HOT should adopt this type of policy.
>
> On Fri, 08 Oct 2021 8:38 +02:00, Tim Couwelier <tim.couwelier at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > does that rule out having official local chapters from certain areas?
>
> Absolutely not! We need more local chapters in general. This is just about
> the “State of the Map” name, and nothing about OSMF Local Chapters.
>
>
> On Thu, 07 Oct 2021 9:42 +02:00, Martin Koppenhoefer <
> dieterdreist at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Amanda, what about countries like Russia, where AFAIK the sexual
> > orientations you list are not illegal, but which aren’t exactly known
> > as safe space for members of these minorities either?
>
> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 22:48 +02:00, Geoffrey Kateregga <kateregga1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > The point is, there is no country that favors everyone 100%, there will
> always be some challenges, LGBT laws
>
> On Thu, 07 Oct 2021 8:04 +02:00, Andrew Hain <andrewhainosm at hotmail.co.uk>
> wrote:
> > we’d risk confining ourselves to a few “safe” parts of the world at the
> > expense of our wider community.
>
> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 20:22 +02:00, Jorieke Vyncke <jorieke.vyncke at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > And a potential SotM Middle East, could that ever happen in any country
> of the region?
>
> On Fri, 08 Oct 2021 9:41 +02:00, Christopher Beddow <
> christopher.beddow at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Is this proposal saying that local mappers in Iran could not hold a
> > "State of the Map Iran" same as "State of the Map France" does
>
> My proposal allows “State of the Map Iran”. Since all places in the region
> (here “Iran”) have the same laws/societal actions, so no visitor would
> suffer a “legal downgrade”. I do not think it's fair or right to deny the
> active local community the ability to have a SotM (or other OSM event).
> There are times when a “State of the Map” event is unsafe for LGBTQ+ people.
>
> In my proposal, a SotM (REGION) can always take place in a country in that
> region, even if that would require the event to not be safe for LGBTQ
> people in the region. I do not think it is right to put that high a
> restriction.
>
> My proposed standard is very very low. There are many cities in “liberal”
> countries where people suffer bigoted violence. No-where is 100% safe,
> While I might have to think about whether to go to a “State of the Map
> Europe” in Russia, I do not think that the OSMF should prohibit that under
> my rule.
>
>
>
> On Thu, 07 Oct 2021 8:47 +02:00, Stephan Knauss <osm at stephans-server.de>
> wrote:
> > I have mixed feelings about the level of political involvement OSMF
> > should do. Should we also care about environmental protection?
>
> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 22:48 +02:00, Marie [OSM Cameroun] wrote:
> > if it is true that OSM is apolitical
>
> Someone already proposed an “OSMF will not pay expenses for air fare if
> there's a train option” (which failed). The OSM blog has been used to
> campaign against proposed EU laws. The OSMF has already picked a political
> side on LGBTQ+ issues when it adopted the Diversity Statement.
>
>
>
> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 22:48 +02:00, wrote:
> > if we organize an event in the USA and we all get shot by the police
> > because of our skin color what will we say? [...] should State of the
> Map be
> > removed from those countries, because its not easy for people to travel
> > to those locations?
>
> I'm more familiar with LGBTQ issues. I'm privileged with my current
> passport. If you can share advice on making SotM (& OSM) more open to
> people affected by this, I am open to hearing it. 🙂 What do you think we
> should do?
>
>
>
> PS: Paul out of habit used the wrong name, and did DM me to apologise. 🙂
> It's fine, Paul's a good friend. He owes me a beer. But it's obvious when
> people _deliberately_ misgender & deadname others. 😒
>
>
>
> [¹] Gilead is the fictional fundamentalist christian theocratic dystopia
> in Atwood's “The Handmaid's Tale”. In the book, women are legally forbidden
> from learning to read (punishment is amputation of a finger!), needless to
> say, it's not LGBTQ safe…
>
> On Wed, 06 Oct 2021 23:09 +02:00, Amanda McCann <
> amanda.mccann at osmfoundation.org> wrote:
> > Hello OSM friends,
> >
> > So here's an idea... I've previously complained when an organisation
> > holds an event in a place where it's “illegal to be gay” and claim that
> > the event is a “safe space”. Since I'm on the OSMF Board, I would be
> > wrong for me to continue to complain about other organisations and not
> > try to suggest such a policy for the OSMF.
> >
> > The OSMF grants a trademark licence (for the “State of the Map”
> > trademark which the OSMF legally owns) to regional event conferences,
> > and legally, the OSMF runs the annual State of the Map conference.
> >
> > There are several different wordings of this policy possible. My
> > initial idea of a policy is: “you can't have a SotM for [REGION] in a
> > venue if same-sex sexual activity is illegal (& that's being enforced)
> > there, *and* there is a place in [REGION] where that is legal (or
> > illegal & not enforced)”. This covers bi/pan/queer/etc people.
> >
> > I can't easily think of a simple rule for trans/gender identity issues
> > that's as clear cut for the very basic level (e.g. many countries have
> > required gender segregated toilets for a long time and the laws
> > requiring ”birth sex” are new and uncommon, legal gender recognition
> > might not be so relevant for a visitor, etc) so I'll stick to this for
> > now. I am OK with “State of the Map [COUNTRY]” happening in a country
> > where it's illegal everywhere. My goal is to prevent anyone having a
> > *legal downgrade* with “State of the Map”.
> >
> > Many in OSM have spent a long time improving things for minoritized
> > groups, and maybe this is just another step in that process. I am only
> > mentioning “illegal to be gay” because it's a simple, clear standard. I
> > think it could be benefitial to include other standards too (e.g. I
> > believe some countries forbid women from driving). I am focussing on
> > LGBTQ+ issues because that affects me personally, and I know a lot
> > about it. I encourage other minoritized people to speak up if they want.
> >
> > So what do yous, the wider OSM(F) community think about the OSMF
> > adopting this policy (or something like it, or not adopting anything
> > new policy)?
>
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