[Osmf-talk] App damaging OSM data
ajt1047 at gmail.com
Mon Sep 20 22:00:28 UTC 2021
(just to reply to one piece of this)
On 20/09/2021 20:31, Robert Grübler wrote:
> Inform DWG?
> Ticket#2021081310000199 of 13 Aug. 2021 “iD editor systematically
> damages data”. No response after 5 weeks.
> *Result: null*
I did read this ticket when it came in to the DWG (as I'm sure did other
DWG people - at least 2 have commented on the ticket internally).
With any DWG ticket, there's always a certain amount of prioritisation
that takes place - do we need to deal with X instead of Y first? When
your ticket came in I read through it, and a couple of things failed the
smell test <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/smell_test> so it got pushed
down the list somewhat.
One of those was (and I hope you don't mind me quoting here) "For years,
the iD editor made a trail of devastation through relations. Splitting
paths that are part of relations destroys the order of relation members
and thus also an essential piece of information". The reasons were that
(a) hyperbole is rarely an indicator of issue importance and (b)
relationship member order isn't considered important by everyone. Some
people do like to sort relations, true, but anyone wanting to do
anything with OSM data such as using it in a router is going to need to
do something with the data anyway, such as convert the data into a
graph, where "relation membership" is just another attribute. More
generally, speaking as someone who keeps an eye on the status of a large
number of area features and route relations in GB and Ireland (see here
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SomeoneElse/diary/397310> and here
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SomeoneElse/diary/395232>) I simply
don't see breakage by iD users out of proportion to the percentage of
changesets <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Editor_usage_stats> that
are by iD. For completeness, my own editor preferences
<https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?SomeoneElse> are such that I don't really
sit on one side or the other in the "iD vs JOSM" fight.
In addition, you've already raised your issues with the iD project, and
there's been a significant amount of discussion on those issues (such as
here <https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/4876>). The OSMF hasn't
exactly been silent on iD either - the OSMF blog here
there has talked about how they're trying to go forward with it.
Although the DWG /has/ done what it can to prevent edits by buggy
editors in the past, I don't think that this is a situation that merits
our involvement at this time, especially given what the OSMF is already
trying to do.
Andy (from the DWG, and occasional repairer
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/102912562> of GB/IE national
park and other relations)
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