[Osmf-talk] Alternative Strategic Plan

[john whelan]

In Ottawa Canada we have imported the addresses from the city under their
open data licence.  The process to get an approved open data licence that
OpenStreetMap could accept took roughly seven years.

The Federal government's Open Data license is approved but not the
provincial one.

>From a strategic point of view having something we could point municipal
governments to that shows OSM and Open Data together might well be useful.
I note from some conversations I'd had the reaction has been we already
have an Open Data policy and licence so OSM should just accept that.

In Ottawa we have brought in street names, addresses, buildings, bus stops,
including the phone number when the next bus is due, street lamps, useful
for seeing if a path is lit or not, and which paths are cleared of snow in
the winter so it might be a good example to use of what can be done.

I think a blanket approach that doesn't look at their Open Data licence
might cause resentment from those that have the correct Open Data licence.

Perhaps a table of cities with whether or not their Open Data licence works
for OSM?

Cheerio John

On Mon, May 15, 2023, 19:22 Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> As mentioned earlier, I agree entirely about the need for addresses, but
> you have the problem of not enough mappers in some areas to be able to
> personally collect them :-(
>
> I wonder if a standard approach to various levels of Government, asking
> for data to be released, but coming directly from the OSMF itself, rather
> than individual personal mappers, may have a better effect in accessing the
> required data?
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
>
>
> On Tue, 16 May 2023 at 08:32, steveaOSM <steveaOSM at softworkers.org> wrote:
>
>> On May 15, 2023, at 3:13 PM, Steve Coast <steve at stevecoast.com> wrote:
>> > Let’s think about the major uses of maps:
>> > From a display point of view OSM is probably the best map of the world.
>> > From a routing point of view, it’s ok. When augmented with GPS, it’s
>> great.
>> > From an addressing point of view, OSM is vastly behind any other map.
>> > From a PoI point of view, it’s highly variable.
>> >
>> > That’s what I mean by complete - if addresses and then PoIs were
>> radically improved then OSM would be “complete” in the same way any other
>> map is. Of course the journey is never ending, but unless we take a hard
>> look in the mirror OSM will remain where it is today and gradually get
>> bypassed by things like Overture.
>> >
>> > Put another way - it’s not great to be the best display map and have
>> acceptable routing if nobody can find anything.
>> >
>> > This is an entirely achievable goal, we can fix this, or we can be
>> exactly here in the same place in another 20 years.
>>
>> I appreciate your prompt reply.  I 100% agree with your "from...points of
>> views."  I 100% agree that addressing is lacking, and will move us ahead to
>> being a much more comprehensive "map" (as "map" is understood to mean what
>> it does to most people, especially how "maps" are USED by most people, and
>> that includes the fairly common task of "where is this address?")  As to
>> POIs, I'm not sure I have real-world experience to offer feedback, though I
>> know enough about this to agree with your characterization of "highly
>> variable."
>>
>> Crucial to your answer is the clarification of "the same way any other
>> map is."  Thank you for that.
>>
>> With the initial announcement [1] of streets.gl <http://streets.gl/> and
>> the overwhelming enthusiasm it is receiving in that venue, I can also
>> imagine (as an extension of "best map of the world from a display point of
>> view") OSM becoming a premier, world-class solution for virtual reality
>> immersion, especially as VR technology becomes more widely deployed into
>> the mainstream, technologically feasible (it's still a pretty tall
>> technical hurdle to render 3D OSM) and likely augmented by AI/ML logic and
>> data streams (which are also being more mainstream deployed).  I don't want
>> to "rest on laurels" or "celebrate with a victory lap" (just yet!) as we
>> are in rather early days of this.  But this is an example of "blue sky"
>> where OSM can be the "best jet in the wild blue yonder."
>>
>> I'm enthusiastic and very OSM-forward, Steve (and community).  If our
>> current state of addresses put us vastly behind, let's fix that.
>> Afterwards (having become "broad enough"), we can continue to go "deep
>> enough" for whatever might suit our fancy.
>>
>> [1]
>> https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/streets-gl-a-new-3d-renderer-for-osm/98594
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