[Tagging] tagging Greenways (was: Re: [OSM-talk] Good routing vs legal routing (was: Path vsfootwayvs cycleway vs...))

Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxford at googlemail.com
Thu Dec 3 09:47:09 GMT 2009

These short-distance signposted routes can be tagged as lcn (local cycle
network) relations.

I'd prefer there to be a distinction between these (which I think of as
leisure/tourist routes and would call "tcn") and utility routes into a town
centre, but there isn't a distinction at the moment (and altering relations
at a later date is easy).


On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:09 AM, Sam Vekemans
<acrosscanadatrails at gmail.com>wrote:

> Ok, oops, didn't get to broadcast about it.
> ...
> but anyway... "Greenways" are (technically) downright confusing to map.
> The surfaces dont match, nor to the uses match.. the only thing that is
> common is the name. and that there are signs all over the place for it.
> In Winnipeg here's an example
> http://www.winnipegtrails.ca/trails-maps/sturgeon-creek-pathway/
> Here's an example in Peterborough, Ontario
> http://www.jaggedpath.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=54
> Where the only way i know to map it is to use a relation and call it
> "route=greenway" and dont have it render on the cyclemap.   Just map the
> sections as appropriate.
> If the section is a paved path and there is a line on it and a sign that
> says 'bike route'  then it's called a highway=cycleway,
>  if it's multi-use and paved..
> then highway=track surface=paved bicycle=yes foot=yes motorcar=no
> if there are signs that say 'no bikes' then it would be
> highway=footway
> surface=paved
> bicycle=no
> And if its gravel.. the consensus is that highway=cycleway is not
> appropriate.  Instead highway=track surface=gravel bicycle=yes foot=yes
> And if its dirt highway=path surface=dirt works... but ALSO highway=track
> surface=dirt bicycle=yes foot=yes sac_scale=btb  .....
> Anyway, the point is, that internationally when we say 'bicycle' we are
> referring to a road 'push-bike' where the surface is paved.   If the surface
> is NOT paved then it's a 'mountain_bike'
> .... and if it's an all terrain bike it's called a 'trekking_bike'  ....
> and would that be appropriate for a 'greenway'  (following the signs and
> bi-passing where no bikes aloud)
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenway_%28landscape%29
> Here's the wiki about it.. how can we tag something thats foot 'and/or'
> bicycle?
> Cheers,
> Sam Vekemans
> Across Canada Trails
> -proposed wiki routes (the not confusing kind) Across Canada :-)
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Steve Bennett <stevagewp at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:55 AM, John F. Eldredge <john at jfeldredge.com>
>> wrote:
>> > The same meaning of greenways (paths on public land, allowed to
>> pedestrians and bicycles but motorized vehicles), is in use here in
>> Nashville, TN, USA.  They are a part of the public park system, and, so far,
>> are mostly along stream or river banks.
>> I don't think we call them that here (southeastern Australia) and we
>> also don't appear to have any "network" as such - every council just
>> creates their own style of bike path and connects it to whatever else
>> is nearby. The latest trend is to build a bike path alongside every
>> new freeway or freeway extension, presumably to placate the
>> environmental protestors. They end up with such inspiring names as
>> "Eastlink Trail", "Western Ring Rd Trail", "Deer Park Bypass Wellness
>> Trail"...
>> Steve
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