[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - social facility

[Sean Horgan]

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 17:10, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
<dieterdreist at gmail.com>wrote:

> 2010/9/28 Sean Horgan <seanhorgan at gmail.com>:
> > I took a stab at a definition and updated the wiki; let me know what you
> > think
> "A social facility is any place that focuses on improving the lives of
> others."
>
> that's very generic, while it is true it might still not be very
> helpful for a mapper who looks for a certain tag.
>
> I'd be more specific: "Most often, it is a place where social
> services, as defined here, are conducted: "
>
> Simply put the whole thing to "A social facility is a place where
> social services, as defined here, are conducted: "
>
> just a suggestion.
>

Sounds good.


>
> "There are no restrictions as to who provides the services; it can be
> government, faith-based, private, local, national, or international."
>
> IMHO you can cut this after "services" and it is shorter, easier and
> more precise.
>

Ok.  I'm seeing the trend here: succinctness.


>
>
> > "group home".  One of the tag examples in that section of the wiki is for
> > "Retirement Home".  Does this cover the need?
>
>
> it would be one kind of this type, yes.
>
> >  Or is your point that
> > "assisted living" is a confusing term?
>
>
> no, not at all. You are describing the office / place of the
> administration and not the place, where the work is done (the home of
> the assisted people), right?
>

correct.


>
>
> > I would say yes. I would tag with
> > social_facility=healthcare
>
>
> really? You would tag a place where heroine-addicts go to consume
> their drugs "healthcare"?
>

Provided that the primary purposes of this place were the safety and health
of the users, then I would say yes.  Certainly not for places whose motives
were commercial/for-profit.  We discussed the use of the word "clinic"
instead of "healthcare", which sounds better in this drug case but we
settled on healthcare as could reference the rich detail in that proposed
feature: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Healthcare.


> social_facility:for=drug_addicted
>
>
> I would tag facilities like this as well, but not the one described.
>
>
> > and maybe add in the description the details about non-disturbed drug
> use.
>
> nah, we are making the proposal now, don't put the meaning in the
> description if you don't have to.
>
>
> > If the owners of the restaurant have a goal to employ anyone with
> > disabilities, then I would say that it is a social facility in addition
> to
> > being a restaurant. You could add the following tags to the POI:
> > social_facility=workshop
> > social_facility:for=disabled
>
>
> yes, I think that's what it is. You would combine these with regular
> restaurant tags. (The specific place I wrote about is kind of an
> association that deals with down-syndrome, so they don't just
> coincidentally happen to have a lot of down employees ;-) )
>
>
> >> There should IMHO also be a subtag social_facility=counsel (?) for
> >> places that give advice and support (with a subtag for which kind of
> >> advice you get), e.g. family planning, people who live in a rented
> >> place, drug addicts, people with debts, psycologic advice, etc.
>
>
> > I like that idea.  I'm split though as I think we could broaden the
> > definition of the "outreach" type, which is currently:
> > A non-residential facility that provides social welfare services such as
> > advocacy, job placement, veterans services, housing placement, wellness
> > programs, daycare, leisure activities. e.g. outreach for veterans
>
>
> I'd cut this as well: "A facility that provides social welfare
> services." Why should it be non-residential? To exclude social housing
> projects and the like?
>

Exactly.  We wanted to clear delineate where people should go for
residential needs (group home or shelter) versus offices for wellness.


>
> > However, counseling may be different enough of a service to warrant
> another
> > tag.  I could go either way on this.
>
>
> yes, but it is a "facility that "provides social welfare services" so
> I'd put it here and mark it with a subtag.
>

agreed.  Counseling starts to get more medical in terms of definition, which
is better served with the proposed healthcare tag.

updates to the wiki were made.

Sean



>
> cheers,
> Martin
>
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