[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sidewalks as separate ways
dapal at debian.org
Fri Mar 25 12:13:20 GMT 2011
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 04:57:10 -0700 (PDT), Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> David Paleino wrote:
> > Come on, it's like any other relation. If potlatch can't support *ANY*
> > kind of relation editing, it's not my fault. It's a bug. I don't use
> > Potlatch, so I can't tell how advanced his support for relations is.
> Not good enough.
> It is incumbent on you, as someone proposing to tell others how to map, that
> you make sure they _can_ easily map in this way. [..]
Relations have existed long before I started thinking at tihs proposal.
> But, nonetheless, actions have consequences. Pulling schemes out of thin air
> and pretending they have no connection with the real-world editors,
> renderers, routers and indexers that people use is one of the reasons why
> the wiki tag process is so utterly discredited.
The scheme hasn't been pulled out of thin air.
It's using well-established things, just put together to make some sense of
them. The only "new thing" is footway=sidewalk. If this new tag is so
revolutionary, please forgive me, and please forget all I've said.
> We _all_ have a responsibility to make OSM editing accessible to newcomers.
> Some of us are already working flat-out to do so. If you want to "extend"
> the data model, therefore adding more for newcomers to learn, _you_ need to
> do your bit to make sure that this won't make OSM more complicated.
Why, oh why, this seems so out-of-context to me?
I think I already gave a solution: if you want to do it simple, use sidewalk=*.
If you want to add more details, follow my proposal.
It's the same thing has streets. Newcomers don't know the difference between
primary, motorway, tertiary, unclassified, [..]. They could start mapping using
"road". But no, we want them to add details. "highway=road" is accepted, but
kind-of-discouraged. Am I wrong?
> That might mean talking to the developers of the biggest editors and
> renderers, that might mean writing some comprehensible beginner-friendly
> docs, or whatever. But you can't just expect those of us who are already
> donating vast amounts of time to necessarily indulge you in your tagging
Given all the negative replies I've had, I'm running out of energy now, to
pursue this proposal.
I'm donating vast amounts of time to OSM as well. I develop things, and I can't
let you, or everybody else here, think I'm just a newcomer trying to push his
I explained the proposal as simple as I could, and I've always had the same
non-sensical (to me) replies. Maybe we live in different OSM-worlds, I can't
tell. There must be a communication problem somewhere.
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