[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sidewalks as separate ways

David Paleino dapal at debian.org
Fri Mar 25 13:36:06 GMT 2011


On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 05:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Richard Fairhurst wrote:

> [..]
> Anyone can map anything in Potlatch, or JOSM, or Merkaartor, or their own
> favourite editor, by creating the primitives manually, and adding tags,
> using the standard UI. Of course they can.
> 
> Yet this isn't always a sufficiently user-friendly way of creating them.
> Sometimes, a special-purpose editor can make it more understandable for
> newcomers, and quicker for experienced users. For example, both JOSM and
> Potlatch have dedicated turn-restriction editors, which are much more
> user-friendly than manually creating the relations and entering the members
> in the appropriate roles.

Now it's clearer -- but a new question arises.

Did the turn-restriction editors appear before -- or at the same time -- the tag
was drafted/approved/voted on? I don't think so. I used turn restrictions long
before JOSM had a friendly editor.

I think you're putting it backwards. *I*, as a developer (not only OSM-related,
I'm generally speaking) would do something that works first, *after* I would
make it fancy.

I still don't understand why to accept a new tag, there should be a fancy
UI in $editors.

> [..]
> If you've thought about it, that's great. If you have suggestions for how it
> might be implemented, that's great. But saying "I don't use Potlatch, so I
> can't tell how advanced his support for relations is" reads, to me, as
> "screw you, Potlatch guys, I expect you to do all the hard work in making it
> easy for users".

That wasn't my intention, sorry (I myself seldomly use P2 for quick editing, or
when I'm not at home).

> We simply don't have infinite resources to do this with every single
> suggestion. Making OSM easy to edit is not the sole responsibility of three
> people on the potlatch-dev mailing list, it's _everyone_'s responsibility.

I agree, but not being part of the $editor development process, I can make my
part when suggesting a new tag. And, for example, reusing a relation -- for
which a nice UI might already exist -- is a first step. And that's not NIH
syndrome -- which I've been accused to have by "someone" -- it's all the
opposite.


David

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