[Tagging] RFC: shop=pastry

Jo winfixit at gmail.com
Sun Nov 27 16:38:00 GMT 2011

Wouldn't it make more sense to have shop=bakery

bread=yes (the default)
pastry=yes (when they have pätisserie/banketgebak)
chocolates=yes (if they have fine chocolate sweets)

or something of the kind. I think this is more consistent with other

We also make a difference between 'warme bakker' (everything is prepared
in-house) en 'koude' bakker. The products are prepared either in another
'warme bakker' or industrially.


2011/11/27 Greg Troxel <gdt at ir.bbn.com>

> Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com> writes:
> > I'd like to propose shop=pastry. (Currently there are 13 of these
> > according to taginfo)
> >
> > There is some recommendations for similar features
> >
> > 1.
> > amenity=cafe
> > cuisine=cake
> >
> > and
> >
> > 2.
> > shop=confectionery
> >
> > I interpret the first as a place to sit and the second seems to be
> > more suitable for candy and/or shops selling industrially produced
> > sweets (at least that's the impression I get from the wiki), while
> > shop=pastry would be intended for shops similar to shop=bakery, but
> > specialized in sweet temptations.
> Not what you asked, but it seems to me that a key problem is that the
> set of valid tags effectively defines a taxonomy, and then imposes on
> any user of the data the need to represent and use the taxonomy.  We
> seem not to talk about this, but I think it's a significant issue and we
> should.
> In general, I think it makes sense to have a number of examples in mind
> when making up tagging schemes.
> Using subtags, rather than new top-level tags, means that data consumers
> that don't know about the subtag still get more or less the right
> answer, as opposed to "other".
> So your option 1 seems reasonable, when it's a sit-down kind of place.
> I might suggest cuisine=dessert.  There are a number of places around me
> that are basically places to sit down and have a "plated dessert" and
> coffee.  ("plated" means it is served on a plate with a knife and fork,
> as opposed to sold in a box to be taken home.)   I am not aware of any
> that sell cake only, and not other kinds of dessert.
> Instead of shop=pastry, I would say shop=bakery bakery=pastry, because
> then the bakery rules work, for data consumers that don't know/care
> about pastry.  And, in the grand ontology we are avoiding building, a
> pastry shop is generally a kind of bakery.
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