[Tagging] Data redundancy with "ref" tag on ways vs relations

"Petr Morávek [Xificurk]" xificurk at gmail.com
Wed Aug 1 16:29:20 BST 2012

Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> Petr Morávek [Xificurk] wrote:
>> On the other side of the spectrum is Potlach, which 
>> makes anything involving relations overly
>> complicated. I've fixed my share of relation bugs, that I dare to say
>> came from these poor editing capabilities.
> Wow. When was the last time you used Potlatch? 1873?
> To add a way to, say, a cycle route relation:
> 1. Click the tab with a picture of a bicycle
> 2. Under National Cycle Route, click 'Add to a route'
> 3. Choose the one you want and press 'Select'
> If that's overly complicated then I guess maybe we could look at sending a
> holographic avatar round to the user's house to do it for them. I'm sure
> ActionScript has an API for that somewhere.
> Richard

Hello Richard,

I apologize if my words sounded harsh or offending. I admit that I'm not
regular user of Potlach, so my knowledge of it is kind of limited. But I
can see the mistakes other users do and well, guess, what was the
underlying reason for them.

I came across basically two categories of relation bugs caused by users
using Potlach.
1) Pointless members of relations, e.g. a German train station added to
the Czech administrative boundary relation. My guess is that the user
mistyped the relation id when he/she wanted to add that station to some
route relation. I have no idea, why he/she did not use the method,
you've described, but it happens.
2) Generally broken relations, e.g. the user deleted a way that was part
of large forest polygon, probably because the way itself had no tags. I
presume this is caused by not very good visualization of relations in
Potlach, thus most of the time users are simply unaware that they are
breaking something. A simple task like seeing that the way/node is part
of some relation requires a user to switch to Advanced mode and look at
the list. If he wants to see the extent of the relation it's another two
clicks away (menu for relation>select all members). If he wants to see
what that relation is or edit it, its double-click away (from the
Advanced mode).

Please, don't take this the wrong way, I value the work you and others
are doing on Potlach. I'm just pointing out a few flaws, that I spotted.

Best regards,
Petr Morávek

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