[Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway
werner.ho at gmx.de
Tue Feb 21 19:12:59 GMT 2012
Am Montag, den 20.02.2012, 20:11 +0000 schrieb Chris Hill:
> On 19/02/12 23:38, Steve Bennett wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Chris Hill<osm at raggedred.net> wrote:
> >> I do not agree with the whole basis of this thread.
> >> There are no such things as approved tags, tagging is open and people are
> >> free to use *any* tags they like.
> > ...
> >> Advertise your ideas and encourage acceptance. Show how well it works any
> > How would you know whether a tag had "acceptance"? Wouldn't
> > documenting it somewhere make sense? Maybe...in a wiki?
> I did say document and discuss the OP.
> > What would you
> > call "acceptance"? Would "approved" be a reasonable synonym for that?
> No. It implies some official status that leads people to remove other
> tags, sometimes with mass edits.
Chris, I've said nothing about mass or automatic editing.
Every change will be done carefully and manually.
> > The wiki and (currently broken) approval mechanism is not some
> > horrible bureaucracy that exists to ruin your life. It's there so we,
> > as a community, can document the tags we use, and agree on how we use
> > them. While it's ok to spontaneously invent a new tag and use it to
> > solve your current problem, you can surely see the benefits of
> > everyone eventually converging on the same tag?
> > And if so, what would you do with all the old tags that people used
> > before you converged? Wouldn't you "deprecate" them?
> No, some tags will wither away, fine. Some seemingly similar tags will
> exist side-by-side and that is fine too. Most importantly, distinctive
> differences can emerge too.
> Just think this through. Approval implies some sort of enforcement,
> without enforcement what is the point of approval? Just who would make
> this enforcement happen and how? What would that do to an open project?
> If only approved tags are used then how would mappers map what they
> actually see? Wait weeks for some committee to discuss, argue and
> approve or reject the tag? If you are free to use any tag, what is an
> approval process for?
> If approval or 'acceptance' means a tag is rendered or used in a router
> or whatever then which tool do you mean? There are hundreds run by OSM
> and other organisations, companies and individuals.
> Flattening the tag structure by homogenising tags is destroying the fine
> detail, sometimes carefully crafted by mappers and I will continue to
> speak out against mass edits that attempt to do just that.
It's just different tagging, no fine detail.
Please show me the difference of the type=collection and the
type=waterway relations we're talking about here.
All the difference comes in the tagging history, when the australian
mappers started with a different tagging stile than the european
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