[Tagging] Differences between crop and produce?

Richard Smith rich at haveyougotanypets.com
Mon Nov 19 18:42:47 GMT 2012


Hi Martin

Although the tag crop has a page if you look at it's proposal page ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Crop ) it seems clear the idea was abandoned due to lack of support. So it 
seems strange that the page was created in the first place. However the user that created it has done quite a bit of work defining the different values for this tag. See wheat, Corn, e.t.c

The Produce key does not seem to have had any proposal written for it at all and only the produce page exists ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:produce ) on which no discussion has taken place.

As it happens I currently have under way a proposal for the key "product" ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Key:product ) which is similar to produce except it is for the 
definition of man made output. So have been thinking about the this subject quite recently.

My slant on this would be that the term crop should be discouraged and instead "produce" be used in all situations where crop currently is. I think the set of possible key-values for produce would 
encompass the entire set of values that the crop key would cover. Any loss of definition could be regained by looking at corresponding tags as I would imagine any person wishing to tag to the level 
detail of crop type would have also tagged the area as farm or farmland, e.t.c. So the fact this is a crop could be inferred.

I would also be happy to take the info from the crop and its child pages and rework them into the produce page if no one has any serious aversions to the idea?

I might also add that while so far the product tag I am proposing has had more "for" than "against" votes, the main trust of the against camp has been the lack of need for 2 tags that essentially mean 
a features output. I sympathise with this argument and as such wondered what the community thinks of creating a tag to describe the output of any feature regardless of the type of output and we look 
to depreciate both the produce and product tags entirely (this does seem a shame seeing how well defined the produce tag has been according to tag info so far).

Either way I am happy to do the write up for whatever people decide.

Cheers - Richard

On 19/11/2012 12:06, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> Apparently we have 2 similar tags for the same stuff:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:crop and
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:produce
>
> Are there any tiny semantical differences? Are they both on the same
> level (e.g. is crop fine for all kinds of nuts, fruits, grains,
> vegetables, like apples, strawberries, olives, wheat, potatoes,
> cotton, ...) or is the literal meaning of one more specific?
>
> As a sidenote there seems to be suggestions for "maize" and "corn",
> which, if I interpret this right, are the same plant, the first being
> BE and the second AE? (As we generally use BE, maybe if what I suppose
> is true we should mark "corn" as deprecated?)
>
> cheers,
> Martin
>
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