[Tagging] Differences between crop and produce?
dieterdreist at gmail.com
Mon Nov 19 23:19:49 GMT 2012
2012/11/19 Richard Smith <rich at haveyougotanypets.com>:
> Although the tag crop has a page if you look at it's proposal page (
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Crop ) it seems clear
> the idea was abandoned due to lack of support. So it seems strange that the
> page was created in the first place.
There are several reasons why a page would be set up, one being the
tag in use (there are roughly 20000 objects tagged with crop, so it
does make sense to have the page as a definition).
> The Produce key does not seem to have had any proposal written for it at all
> and only the produce page exists (
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:produce ) on which no discussion has
> taken place.
it was introduced in the orchard proposal:
but again, even if there were no proposal the fact that it is in use
justifies the tag definition page.
> As it happens I currently have under way a proposal for the key "product" (
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Key:product ) which is
> similar to produce except it is for the definition of man made output. So
> have been thinking about the this subject quite recently.
yes, usage starts to appear also for product:
some of them might be misspellings of "produce" though.
> My slant on this would be that the term crop should be discouraged and
> instead "produce" be used in all situations where crop currently is. I think
> the set of possible key-values for produce would encompass the entire set of
> values that the crop key would cover.
OK, fine for me, so basically there is no added meaning for either of those 2?
> I would also be happy to take the info from the crop and its child pages and
> rework them into the produce page if no one has any serious aversions to the
it's fine, but please keep the definition for crop as well, and don't
change meanings of tags in use without discussing it beforehand.
> I might also add that while so far the product tag I am proposing has had
> more "for" than "against" votes, the main trust of the against camp has been
> the lack of need for 2 tags that essentially mean a features output. I
> sympathise with this argument and as such wondered what the community thinks
> of creating a tag to describe the output of any feature regardless of the
> type of output and we look to depreciate both the produce and product tags
> entirely (this does seem a shame seeing how well defined the produce tag has
> been according to tag info so far).
I think we should not do this, there is a big difference between a
field where potatoes are grown and a factory where goods are produced
or a kiln where stuff is produced. Growing fruit is sufficiently far
away from man_made production to merit its own key IMHO.
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