[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Bicycle=use_cycleway

Paul Johnson baloo at ursamundi.org
Sun Dec 1 22:00:03 UTC 2013

Compliance rates among amateur operators tend to be equal across all modes.
 Not that professional drivers don't have their moments, but that's the
only group on the road that has a higher compliance rate than amateur
motorists and bicyclists.

On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Jonathan <bigfatfrog67 at gmail.com> wrote:

> :-)  This whole discussion assumes cyclists obey traffic rules!  In the UK
> cyclists ride where they like!  :-)
> http://bigfatfrog67.me
> On 01/12/2013 21:38, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
>> On 1 December 2013 10:04, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> I mean that bicycle=no bans  bicycles from the road, while the actual
>>> situation is that you have to use the cycleway if it leads where you are
>>> going (and nothing bans you from using the road). If you want to turn
>>> left
>>> for instance but the cycleway goes straight, you can use the road. There
>>> is
>>> no ban of bikes on the road.
>> I don't think this is true in the Netherlands. Situations like you
>> describe are quite rare in the Netherlands, but I did find one:
>> https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Marconibaan,+Nieuwegein,+
>> The+Netherlands&hl=en&ll=52.02938,5.101267&spn=0.001149,0.
>> 004823&sll=51.566277,5.062965&sspn=0.002574,0.004823&oq=
>> marconibaan&t=h&hnear=Marconibaan,+Nieuwegein,+The+
>> Netherlands&z=18&layer=c&cbll=52.029299,5.10157&panoid=
>> 3G1tWOtoUdO_1hUBl5deXw&cbp=11,219.58,,0,2.4
>> I would expect that cyclists are not allowed to turn left on this
>> crossing at all, and I don't think they would be allowed to use the
>> main road here.
>> I'm also not sure why you think it is like you describe in Germany. It
>> certainly is not explicitly written like that in the law. Could you
>> point me to an example of such a crossing in Germany?
>> Perhaps the answer depends on the meaning of 'leading into the same
>> direction' in the convention: does making a turn qualifies as going in
>> a different direction, or does it just refer to forward and backward?
>> -- Matthijs
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