[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Bicycle=use_cycleway

Peter Wendorff wendorff at uni-paderborn.de
Mon Dec 2 20:01:21 UTC 2013


free quote from I'm not sure whom:
Make your sentence idiot proof and there will be a "better" idiot.
I know, but I know that there are people who don't read your smileys
correctly. That shouldn't be an offense against you.

;)

regards
Peter

Am 02.12.2013 20:27, schrieb Jonathan:
> I was being facetious.  Hence the smiley faces.  The comment wasn't
> intended to be taken seriously.
> 
> J
> 
> http://bigfatfrog67.me
> 
> On 01/12/2013 21:59, Peter Wendorff wrote:
>> I would say it assumes hat cyclists in theory have to obey traffic rules
>> and a map should reflect what they have to do, not what they do.
>> Walkers cross lawns wherever they want if that's a shortcut and rules
>> against that aren't enforced strictly, but we don't map any possible
>> shortcut.
>>
>> regards
>> Peter
>>
>> Am 01.12.2013 22:47, schrieb Jonathan:
>>> :-)  This whole discussion assumes cyclists obey traffic rules!  In the
>>> UK cyclists ride where they like!  :-)
>>>
>>> http://bigfatfrog67.me
>>>
>>> On 01/12/2013 21:38, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
>>>> On 1 December 2013 10:04, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I mean that bicycle=no bans  bicycles from the road, while the actual
>>>>> situation is that you have to use the cycleway if it leads where
>>>>> you are
>>>>> going (and nothing bans you from using the road). If you want to turn
>>>>> left
>>>>> for instance but the cycleway goes straight, you can use the road.
>>>>> There is
>>>>> no ban of bikes on the road.
>>>> I don't think this is true in the Netherlands. Situations like you
>>>> describe are quite rare in the Netherlands, but I did find one:
>>>>
>>>> https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Marconibaan,+Nieuwegein,+The+Netherlands&hl=en&ll=52.02938,5.101267&spn=0.001149,0.004823&sll=51.566277,5.062965&sspn=0.002574,0.004823&oq=marconibaan&t=h&hnear=Marconibaan,+Nieuwegein,+The+Netherlands&z=18&layer=c&cbll=52.029299,5.10157&panoid=3G1tWOtoUdO_1hUBl5deXw&cbp=11,219.58,,0,2.4
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would expect that cyclists are not allowed to turn left on this
>>>> crossing at all, and I don't think they would be allowed to use the
>>>> main road here.
>>>>
>>>> I'm also not sure why you think it is like you describe in Germany. It
>>>> certainly is not explicitly written like that in the law. Could you
>>>> point me to an example of such a crossing in Germany?
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps the answer depends on the meaning of 'leading into the same
>>>> direction' in the convention: does making a turn qualifies as going in
>>>> a different direction, or does it just refer to forward and backward?
>>>>
>>>> -- Matthijs
>>>>
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