[Tagging] [Imports] RFC - Adding UN LOCODE tags to OSM

Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhauser at gmail.com
Mon Feb 4 16:42:16 GMT 2013


Doug,

Since you're pretty knowledgable about this topic, it'd probably also be
good if you could flesh out the harbor:LOCODE page on the wiki (
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:harbour:LOCODE).  It's part of this
big harbour proposal: wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Harbour

Cheers, Brad

PS--one side question: shouldn't LOCODE be locode (that is, lowercase)?
that's how iata and icao are handled for aerodromes...

On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 11:47 AM, <doug.fraser at tarisoga.com> wrote:

> Followup to my post:
> I am here at the London OSM Hack Weekend and spoke to someone who
> explained to me the larger issues and questions about importing / updating
> metadata like LOCODEs that can't be surveyed - i.e. data where managing the
> process of keeping it current may be troublesome.
> I agree with everything he explained and so now I don't think updating the
> LOCODEs that are present, etc would be the best idea.  Letting the existing
> tags die off sounds like the best idea.
> But locodes are assigned to harbours and they are surveyable, can be
> verified by the public, all that sort of thing.  So the UN list could be
> used to update or verify that cities have appropriate harbour tags
> associated with them.  IIRC, Long Beach (or LA) was one test case I looked
> at and it didn't have a tag that i'd expected.
> So now my idea is to check the harbour tags against the UN data (this
> could also be done for rail stations) and then determine how much data is
> missing and what ought to be improved.
> A related idea is that port terminals (for commercial shipping) are
> becoming prominent features (e.g. they are getting their own locodes) and
> perhaps a new tag harbour:terminal (like harbour:pier) could be created for
> handling this data.  Container terminals are physical features and won't
> arbitrarily change, so they aren't metadata like LOCODEs.
> If anyone has any feedback, I'd appreciate it.  I don't plan on doing
> anything until I fully understand the details of all this, so I can write
> it all up, etc.
> doug
>
> [Imports] RFC - Adding UN LOCODE tags to OSM writes:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>> This is a duplicate of a email I sent to the Tagging list:
>> The company I work for deals with shipping ports, UN LOCODEs, and
>> shipping schedules - I had hoped to use OSM to correlate geographical type
>> info and LOCODEs.  The problem has become messier than I ever thought, and
>> unfortunately OSM does not have much in the way of LOCODE related data.
>> At this point, we have a well maintained list of LOCODEs and other such
>> data that I keep track with the UN list as it is updated.  So I thought
>> it'd be useful to put all that into OSM and clean up the handful of LOCODE
>> tags that I have seen in OSM.  This list also includes IATA data and some
>> other port type info - everything has been gleaned from public data sources
>> like the UN, so I'm sure there are no license related issues.  I'm also
>> confident of the accuracy since I'm the one responsible for maintaining the
>> data.
>> I will write up a feature proposal on the wiki to outline the details,
>> but first I wanted to see if there were any comments or advice people might
>> have.  I do plan to automate the updates - none of this is map data per se,
>> but just tags, so I assume there won't be any real complications. So I will
>> read all about the guidelines around automation.
>> The questions I had are:
>> 1) the UN provides geographical coordinates of these LOCODEs, typically
>> the city center.  Is there any standard that OSM adheres to regarding the
>> location of cities?  Anyone have any pointers to info I should read?
>> 2) alternative place names - the UN provides some data and we have data
>> from other sources.  The data is good, but is there any consensus on this
>> topic about how OSM ought to operate?
>> 3) locations/cities not in OSM at all - adding these in is a separate
>> task entirely so I will leave that till I understand OSM better.  But if
>> someone could point me in the right direction, that'd be great.
>> Thanks
>> doug
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