[Tagging] Longitudinal Zebra

André Pirard A.Pirard.Papou at gmail.com
Wed Mar 27 22:38:12 UTC 2013


On 2013-03-26 15:41, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote :
> 2013/3/26 André Pirard <A.Pirard.Papou at gmail.com 
> <mailto:A.Pirard.Papou at gmail.com> >
>
>     Hi,
>
>     I dig this because of the similar problem with different story and
>     paint.
>
>     This is the gate in a one-way school service road
>     <http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=50.5351&mlon=5.628629&zoom=18&layers=M>
>     where parents drive and drop or pick the kids.
>     Very wisely, the administration has painted what is better called
>     a /*passage pour piétons* / than a /*pedestrian crossing* /
>     because it does not *cross* a road but goes *along* on one half of
>     it (it crosses the main road and the children continue to walk on
>     it up to the gate (mark)).
>
>     Unfortunately, the only OSM vision of a pedestrian crossing is a
>     single node restricting it to be perpendicular to the road.
>
>
> as you described it above it isn't a crossing, because nothing is 
> crossed, right? So maybe crossing might not be the right tag. That 
> said there are currently 6955 ways tagged with the tag crossing=*, 
> admittedly much less than nodes (367635), but still it is quite 
> possible to map like this.

Indeed, as I said, passage would have seemed less odd than crossing, but 
we won't change that key.
A crossing(=*) is my way of thinking of one too; I have always wondered 
why OSM calls it a highway.
But Osmose just flagged as errors bicycle=yes alone.  It wanted us to 
add network=bicycle.
The reason was that both appear together more than 50 times!!!
So, I think crossing=* would be booked again for contravening people's 
habits.

On 2013-03-26 16:16, Nathan Edgars II wrote :
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:footway%3Dcrossing 
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On 2013-03-26 15:53, Volker Schmidt wrote :
> I would map this as e dedicated footway connected to the zebra 
> crossing on the main street.
You mean a separate highway, don't you?
It allows highway=* and that is something having been tried now.
But Osmose is scolding because I have a way tagged like one of its nodes!!!
Osmose is always hiding and jumping from behind a bush ;-)
Furthermore, security wise, I prefer to make it clear that it's a single 
road.

On 2013-03-27 09:23, Martin Vonwald wrote :
> Hi!
> 2013/3/27 Tobias Knerr <osm at tobias-knerr.de>:
>> footway=sidewalk is not documented used as an add-on tag to
>> highway=whatever, but for sidewalks which are mapped as separate ways.
>> In this case, a separate way seems quite clearly not a good choice,
>> considering that there is no physical separation whatsoever.
>> For sidewalks as add-on tags to the main highway, we commonly use
>> sidewalk=left/right/both/no. So I would suggest sidewalk=right, plus
>> sidewalk:right=lane in analogy to the existing cycleway:right=lane.
> I was just about to write the same. The key sidewalk is used over
> 260,000 times, the least used sidewalk=left is still used over 13,000
> times. So you can expect some support there.  The suggested
> sidewalk:right=lane isn't used right now but certainly makes sense and
> is in line with cycleway, as Tobias already pointed out.
> So a clear +1 from me to sidewalk=left/right/both + sidewalk:xxx=lane .
I think I'll have to do as if it's not a Z crossing but a side lane.
BTW, drivers exiting (on the right) have to stop on the Z crossing, 
which is forbidden.
They could at least have painted it on the left side!!!

sidewalk=right
sidewalk:right=lane

Thanks for your help.
Cheers,

André.


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