[Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

Colin Smale colin.smale at xs4all.nl
Wed Nov 13 09:36:51 UTC 2013


There are very many roads (in NL at least) marked with bicycle=no with
no explicit sign. It is implicit in the fact that a "parallel" cycle
track is marked as "compulsory" (blue round sign). IMHO the definition
of this sign (in law) is totally screwed. It is also used for cycle
tracks which are nowhere near "roads". It seems to mean that I am
obliged to use that cycle track even if it is going in the wrong
direction for me... so it becomes rather subjective in many cases as to
how "mandatory" it really is. It is usually regarded as applying where
the main carriageway and the cycle track are "the same road". If they
are parallel and not too far apart (how far is this?) that's almost
trivial to determine, compared to some of the incredibly complex cycle
track layouts around junctions. 

The law in NL says that "cycles" wider than 75cm are not bound by the
"obligation" to follow the "mandatory cycle track" and are allowed on
the main carriageway; this includes trikes and some trailers (e.g. for
carrying windsurfers). So why not tag the main road to reflect the width
limit? bicycle:minwidth=0.75? 


On 2013-11-13 10:10, Erik Johansson wrote: 

> Are you proposing tagging all ways with a parallel cycleway with
> bicycle=use_cycleway? Sounds like it's made for mechanical edit abuse.
> But if you are saying that there are roads marked with bicycle=no
> which really do not have such a sign, then that's different.
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Pee Wee <piewie32 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Together with user Masimaster I've made a proposal for a new tag to improve bicycle routing. I think (and hope) the wiki is clear enough but I'll say a few words about this new tag. The tag is introduced to separate 2 kinds of roads where you are not supposed to ride your bike. The first is a road with a traffic sign (bicycle icon with red edge) that makes clear it is forbidden to ride a bicycle . (common tag: bicycle=no) The second is a road that has a parallel compulsory cycleway but does not have the bicycle forbidden sign. On this type of road you're not supposed to ride your bike but there are exeptions. Legally these 2 roads are not the same. For example.. in NL some 3 wheel bicycles with certain measurements are allowed to ride the second type of road. In other countries there is also a legal difference. For this reason we propose this new tag. Cheers PeeWee32 _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging at openstreetmap.org
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