[Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

[Jonathan]

I'm not suggesting the dismount sign is ignored on the map, I'm saying, 
if cycling is not allowed (i.e. cyclist should dismount and no longer 
cycle) then it should either not be marked as a cycleway or the access 
tag should be used to restrict cycles on the way.

http://bigfatfrog67.me

On 10/10/2013 22:36, Frank Little wrote:
> Here's an example from the Netherlands:
> http://www.eemsbode.nl/nieuws/18774/oplossing-gemeente-delfzijl-fietsers-afstappen-bij-tunnel/ 
>
> It's a cycleway (mopeds also allowed). No change in highway type here.
> It's cycleway all the way down.
>
> There were accidents. The local authority decided that the best way to 
> reduce the risk of accidents was ...
> ... to sign it with a "cyclists dismount' sign.
>
> We can all decide that it's nonsense, and they shouldn't have done 
> that, but that doesn't change the sign.
> And we map what's there, not what we'd like to be there. There are 
> plenty of signs I disagree with.
> (Or even ignore.) But that doesn't mean we should leave them out of OSM.
>
> Is it "legal": Well, the council placed it (though I couldn't find a 
> basis for it in the local ordinance).
> Could a strategically-placed policeman fine you if you ignored the 
> sign? (Like most people will do).
> Probably he could (there's always the catch-all in the road 
> regulations), though in practice he might not.
> If you cause an accident, your insurance company might want to take it 
> into account.
>
> I am not in favour of tagging "dismount" for any other reason than a 
> sign (or, possibly, a general traffic regulation).
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "fly" <lowflight66 at googlemail.com>
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>
>> On 10.10.2013 20:10, SomeoneElse wrote:
>>> Jonathan wrote:
>>>> I don't see any point in the bicycle=dismount tag, when there is a
>>>> change in speed limit we don't tag car=slowdown!  The only way to tag
>>>> the effect that the sign has is to change the access tag to exclude
>>>> bicycles. As I see it it's that simple.
>>>
>>> Here's an example:
>>>
>>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/26194733
>>>
>>> looks like a cycleway and quacks like a cycleway - it's clearly a
>>> cycleway.  It also has a "cyclists dismount" sign on it.
>>
>> Either the sign is official and the path should be tagged:
>>
>> highway=path
>> foot=yes/designated
>> vehicle=no
>> note=bicycle dismount sign
>>
>> or it is unofficial and
>>
>> highway=path
>> foot=yes/designated
>> bicycle=designated
>> vehicle=no
>> note=bicycle dismount sign
>>
>> no need for bicycle=dismount
>>
>> cu
>> fly
>>
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