[Tagging] "Relations are not categories" excepted for "type=network" ?

[Frank Little]

For me the difference between bus routes (or walking routes, or cycling 
routes or ..... routes) and a collection of McD locations, represented in 
OSM by POIs (or buildings), is that you can traverse a specific route only 
by using the roads and paths along that route but you can navigate any way 
you want (within reason) to get to a specific location. For me they are 
evidently different in nature.

We are not talking about collecting all bus stops in a city independent of 
the routing (that would be a simple collection).

It is helpful to be able to put the routes on a map. And since they are 
fixed and cannot be calculated at run time by a navigator, I do not see how 
else we can map routes conveniently in OSM.

I already mentioned the reason we do not want to put ALL the roads/paths for 
a cyclenode network in a single relation: cyclenode networks are large (some 
are very big indeed). It becomes difficult to manage these with tools we 
have available. So we just map the routes between cyclenodes (or for busses 
between the two end points of a route).

Putting the marked routes in route relations and putting those relations in 
a network relation simply reflects reality (they all belong in the same 
cyclenode network).

The same is true for individual parts of a long-distance walking route. 
Those long-distance routes which have all the ways in a single relation are 
painful to manage with our current tools (I am thinking of mappers rather 
than consumers).

A site like Lonvia hiking works very well with the current solution with 
relations and "super-relations". If it ain't bust, don't fix it. Please.

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- 
From: Pieren
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 10:38 AM
To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
Subject: Re: [Tagging] "Relations are not categories" excepted for 
"type=network" ?

If you don't understand that a collection of "all bus routes from
operator XYZ in my city" is not different than a collection of "all
McDonald's restaurants in my town", then I cannot argue any more. And
if we tolerate the first, we cannot refuse the second.

Pieren

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