[Tagging] Hot springs

[johnw]

The onsen icon (♨) is commonly used all over Japan (of course), and is a great icon (a hot bath with steam rising out) to represent a place to get a hot natural bath vs a natural park's hot-spring.  "Onsen" always means naturally sourced hot water as well, vs a bathhouse (amenity=spa? showers?), which merely heats up the water with a boiler for you to use.

amenity=hot_spring_bath might be a good differentiation, because ♨ = bath

Javbw

On Mar 5, 2014, at 10:06 AM, Satoshi IIDA <nyampire at gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> > So the idea is to have
> > natural=hot_spring - the hole in earth where hot water is comming out
> I see :)
> 
> So I prefer to switch the icon from Onsen icon ♨ to another ones.
> it ♨ maybe to use for leisure/amenity scheme.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2014-03-04 21:10 GMT+09:00 Richard Z. <ricoz.osm at gmail.com>:
> On Tue, Mar 04, 2014 at 03:50:30PM +0900, Satoshi IIDA wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > +1 to Tobias.
> >
> > I feel it needs clarification for this tag scope.
> >
> > I think it was "leisure=hot_spring" once,
> > and switched to "natural=hot_spring".
> 
> exactly.
> 
> > So the main purpose of this scheme is now "natural".
> > Like to represent a geyser or some natural features, it seems.
> >
> > So it is better to make another tag scheme to represent "Onsen" ♨ bathing
> > facility.
> 
> as you mentioned we already have various methods to map bathing facilities,
> thanks for pointing out leisure=public_bath.
> 
> So the idea is to have
> natural=hot_spring - the hole in earth where hot water is comming out
> + natural=water - if there is a pool of water around it
> + water_characteristic - attached to both spring and water
> + all other related facilities mapped with their own well known tags such
>   as tourism=attraction, amenity=public_bath, leisure=beach_resort,
>   natural=beach, sport=swimming .. please add those which I have forgotten.
> 
> Some of those tags, like swimming need improvement which is independent from
> this proposal.
> 
> water_characteristic is intended to be reusable for natural=spring and all
> waterways and other water bodies.
> 
> > Many Japanese rural "tourism=hotel" has Onsen amenity.
> >
> > # Some Japanese mappers use "amenity=public_bath" to represent "Sento".
> > # "Sento" is like a spa, but more daily used amenity.
> > # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sent%C5%8D
> >
> > In my opinion, to represent a "Onsen Hotel",
> > e.g.
> > "tourism=hotel"
> > "amenity=public_bath"
> > "leisure=onsen"
> >
> > or some combination. (yes, this is very draft!)
> 
> natural=hot_spring is for springs of natural origin. A leisure=onsen is
> orthogonal to this so those could be easily combined if the onsen is from
> a natural source. Otherwise you would have just leisure=onsen.
> 
> Richard
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