[Tagging] Hot springs

johnw johnw at mac.com
Wed Mar 5 06:05:39 UTC 2014


PS: the onsen icon (♨) is always for an amenity - a hotel or resort that offers a hot spring bath, or a purpose-built, stand alone structure (crude or ornate) just to provide a bathing experience - but it is not just a hole in the ground with a rope around it. It is always an amenity offered by a business, similar to a lap swimming pool vs a pond, or a fire hydrant vs a spring.

Javbw


On Mar 5, 2014, at 10:13 AM, johnw <johnw at mac.com> wrote:

> The onsen icon (♨) is commonly used all over Japan (of course), and is a great icon (a hot bath with steam rising out) to represent a place to get a hot natural bath vs a natural park's hot-spring.  "Onsen" always means naturally sourced hot water as well, vs a bathhouse (amenity=spa? showers?), which merely heats up the water with a boiler for you to use.
> 
> amenity=hot_spring_bath might be a good differentiation, because ♨ = bath
> 
> Javbw
> 
> On Mar 5, 2014, at 10:06 AM, Satoshi IIDA <nyampire at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> > So the idea is to have
>> > natural=hot_spring - the hole in earth where hot water is comming out
>> I see :)
>> 
>> So I prefer to switch the icon from Onsen icon ♨ to another ones.
>> it ♨ maybe to use for leisure/amenity scheme.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 2014-03-04 21:10 GMT+09:00 Richard Z. <ricoz.osm at gmail.com>:
>> On Tue, Mar 04, 2014 at 03:50:30PM +0900, Satoshi IIDA wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > +1 to Tobias.
>> >
>> > I feel it needs clarification for this tag scope.
>> >
>> > I think it was "leisure=hot_spring" once,
>> > and switched to "natural=hot_spring".
>> 
>> exactly.
>> 
>> > So the main purpose of this scheme is now "natural".
>> > Like to represent a geyser or some natural features, it seems.
>> >
>> > So it is better to make another tag scheme to represent "Onsen" ♨ bathing
>> > facility.
>> 
>> as you mentioned we already have various methods to map bathing facilities,
>> thanks for pointing out leisure=public_bath.
>> 
>> So the idea is to have
>> natural=hot_spring - the hole in earth where hot water is comming out
>> + natural=water - if there is a pool of water around it
>> + water_characteristic - attached to both spring and water
>> + all other related facilities mapped with their own well known tags such
>>   as tourism=attraction, amenity=public_bath, leisure=beach_resort,
>>   natural=beach, sport=swimming .. please add those which I have forgotten.
>> 
>> Some of those tags, like swimming need improvement which is independent from
>> this proposal.
>> 
>> water_characteristic is intended to be reusable for natural=spring and all
>> waterways and other water bodies.
>> 
>> > Many Japanese rural "tourism=hotel" has Onsen amenity.
>> >
>> > # Some Japanese mappers use "amenity=public_bath" to represent "Sento".
>> > # "Sento" is like a spa, but more daily used amenity.
>> > # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sent%C5%8D
>> >
>> > In my opinion, to represent a "Onsen Hotel",
>> > e.g.
>> > "tourism=hotel"
>> > "amenity=public_bath"
>> > "leisure=onsen"
>> >
>> > or some combination. (yes, this is very draft!)
>> 
>> natural=hot_spring is for springs of natural origin. A leisure=onsen is
>> orthogonal to this so those could be easily combined if the onsen is from
>> a natural source. Otherwise you would have just leisure=onsen.
>> 
>> Richard
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