[Tagging] Hot springs

[John F. Eldredge]

So, if I am understanding you correctly, an onsen doesn't necessarily have water available, but, if water is available, it must be from a hot spring?  If onsen doesn't necessarily imply the presence of a hot spring, then I don't think the English translation in the wiki should translate the term as "hot spring".  Also, I was under the impression that the standard in OSM was to use British terminology in tags.



-------- Original Message --------
From: Satoshi IIDA <nyampire at gmail.com>
Sent: March 5, 2014 10:56:57 AM CST
To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" <tagging at openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [Tagging] Hot springs

Hello,

> * does onsen water always come from natural hot springs?
Yes.
The water of "onsen" bathing amenity is from always natural.
And in precise, it is upper 25'C and must have mineral element. (by law)

Not from natural water bathing amenity, it must be called "Sento (bath
house, rough meaning "Bath with coin/cheap fee")".
In fact, some onsen amenity has no water for their amenity.
But they are called as "onsen". Such as "sand bath", or "steam bath
(sauna)".

BTW their mutual function is "the warmth or water is from natural".

> * there are many natural, undelopped hot springs in Japan.
>   Are those also called "onsen"?
In the case of.
The common, so called, and main meaning of "onsen" is targeted to represent
bathing amenity.

By JP law, very natural hot spring with mineral is classified as...
* under 25'C water: Kousen (mineral spring)
* upper 25'C water: Onsen (hot spring)

I could propose following tag combinations to represent "onsen" amenity,
but certainly I think they are not your concern ;)
Maybe it is better with another proposal, I would like to hear other
country's situation.

* Onsen Hotel
tourism=hotel (or something other, B&B)
leisure=onsen

* Onsen without lodging
amenity=public_bath
leisure=onsen

* Hotel with Onsen, can use onsen as public_bath also (Higaeri Onsen in
Japanese)
tourism=hotel (or something other, B&B)
amenity=public_bath
leisure=onsen

* Sento (bathing amenity using water not from hot spring)
amenity=public_bath

Cheers.




2014-03-05 18:45 GMT+09:00 Richard Z. <ricoz.osm at gmail.com>:

> On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 10:06:45AM +0900, Satoshi IIDA wrote:
> > > So the idea is to have
> > > natural=hot_spring - the hole in earth where hot water is comming out
> > I see :)
> >
> > So I prefer to switch the icon from Onsen icon ♨ to another ones.
> > it ♨ maybe to use for leisure/amenity scheme.
>
> another proposal was to use the same symbol as for normal springs in a red
> color.
>
> I can add a leisure=onsen to the proposal, which would take the onsen
> symbol.
>
> But I need clarification regarding the meaning of the word "onsen" :
>
> * does onsen water always come from natural hot springs?
> * there are many natural, undelopped hot springs in Japan.
>   Are those also called "onsen"?
>
> Richard
>
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