[Tagging] sport= non-physical tags and the exceptions people come up with...

[Richard Z.]

sorry, didn't see your email earlier.

On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 09:27:03AM +0100, Andreas Goss wrote:
> >The club page seems to suggest
> >that club=sport + sport=cycling type tagging should be used for competitive
> >sports.
> 
> Which in my optinion is a bad idea, too. There is really no generel
> agreement as far as I know that club=sport is for competitive stuff
> only. I also don't think it's a good idea, because it would confuse a
> lot of people. I think subtagging makes a lot more sense.

why should everything that is remotely related to sports go under 
club=sport+sport=XXXX ?

According to the approved http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Club
chess has an own club=chess, as has fishing, automobile, hiking - all 
of which can be either leisure type or sport type activities. Bicycle 
was apparently added later but it makes as much or little sense as the 
other cases.
So this is not a new exception for diving.

> >Tag:sport=scuba_diving as divespot has been in use for a long time already
> >and
> >
> >http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/scuba_diving2
> >
> >has been approved.

> It just makes no sense to allow exceptions like this. If we allow this
> then everybody will find exceptions for other sports and you won't be
> able to combine them.
> Like even now how would you tag a sport shop that sells e.g. sailing and
> scuba diving gear? You can't tag it sport=sailing;scuba_diving ... so
> what now?

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shop list a whole range of values.
So I don't see any technical problem for example with 
shop=computer;cheese;bicycle;scuba_diving;water_sports

How would you tag this particular shop with your favorite tagging.. perhaps
shop=computer;cheese;sport + sport=bicycle;scuba_diving;water_sports ?
Imho this looks rather arbitrary, the computers sold there are probably
related to the sports offered there but treated completely differently.

That does not mean I am happy with current tagging of part-sport-part-leisure
activities such as swimming and diving.
It is broken to tag garden pools, kiddie beaches or dangerous oceans beaches 
with sport=swimming. There is no way to tag swimming routes and areas in water, 
hazardous areas etc. Most outdoor "sports" are in reality  outdoor 
*activities*  (whether leisure or sport) and rather bad match for tagging 
with key:sport.

Clearly in need of a sane proposal.

Richard