[Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

John F. Eldredge john at jfeldredge.com
Wed Oct 1 12:44:44 UTC 2014


Compacted usually means compacted earth (the soil has been packed more densely, but no other hard surface has been added). A dirt road simply has the native soil exposed, with perhaps some grading done, but again no topping added.  To my mind, neither of these count as "paved".


On September 30, 2014 4:57:58 AM CDT, Erik Johansson <erjohan at gmail.com> wrote:
>These are more than 90% of values for surface, categorize them as
>paved/unpaved the rest as unpaved.
>
>surface=
>
>asphalt
>unpaved
>paved
>gravel
>ground
>dirt
>grass
>concrete
>paving_stones
>sand
>cobblestone
>compacted
>
>paved=yes will remove then need for parsing those last % of surface=*
>values, not sure it's worth it. To think that there is only one
>definition of paved=yes, is a big mistake. There are few tags in OSM
>that are specific enough to mean the same thing all over the world.
>
>
>
>On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 1:42 AM, David Bannon
><dbannon at internode.on.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 2014-09-22 at 00:23 +0200, Tomasz Ka┼║mierczak wrote:
>> ..A good suggestion ...
>>
>> So it seems that yet again, we are going to reject this attempt to
>solve
>> a real problem. Looking at the neg replies, because its not useful
>for
>> bike riders; not useful for a number of undefined edge cases; is a
>> duplicate of surface=.
>>
>> Thats just plain not true ! There is no suggestion that paved= should
>be
>> used instead of surface=. I use surface= on all unsealed roads I map
>and
>> would continue to do so if I also used paved=no.
>>
>> But there are 34 official values for surface= and 3581 values used.
>It
>> is very plain that the mapping community want surface= as a fine
>> grained, very detailed key. And thats great, people making
>specialised
>> maps or engines can use those values, display them in a meaningful
>way
>> to people they understand. My data will help them.
>>
>> But the vast majority of people just want to know that the road may
>not
>> be what they are used to. Thats all. And paved= does that easily.
>>
>> In places like Australia, that information can be a life or death
>thing.
>> People die here because they are inexperienced or ill equipped for
>roads
>> they tackle. Generally visitors from Europe or North America.
>>
>> Please folks, think of the big picture, not the edge cases.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
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