[Tagging] Vandalis on access page

Pee Wee piewie32 at gmail.com
Tue Oct 21 16:36:42 UTC 2014


Well... here's my experience with user Ulamm. He sure has taken away part
of the fun it was contributing to this project.

I've noticed he made some changes to the use_sidepath
<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle%3Duse_sidepath> wiki. I
asked him in a private mail for the reason of the changes since they did
not make sense to me nor was I aware of some proposal or a discussion on
the tagging mailinglist. His changes were reverted by Mateusz but Ulamm
changed the wiki almost instantly. Ulamm could not (and still can not) give
me any reference to a discussion or whatever that would justify the changes
he made. In the private mail it was very clear to me that Ulamm wanted to
discuss with me why his change was good for OSM. I instead wanted to make
clear to him that he should get consensus first and after that change the
wiki.
For this reason I decided to continue on the TALK page instead of private
mail.  You can read that in  Talk
<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:bicycle%3Duse_sidepath>page
from "bicycle=yes everywhere"

Apart from that fact that there is no consensus on the change he made I
also pointed him to the wiki page on "tag for routing/Access restrictions
<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access-Restrictions>"
with which his change conflicts.  He now states that it does not conflict
because those the road types under discussion are excluded from this wiki.
That was new to me so I was surprised. I found out that this wiki was also
changed by Ulamm by adding a paragraph by the name of "Special feature:
Roadside cycletracks".  So Ulamm seems to change one wiki and justifies
with another wiki he has just changed.

My impression is that he does not want to reach consensus but just changes
wiki pages to his liking. IMHO this is a very bad development undermining
the wiki pages and the way we should should reach agreement in OSM.

I am wondering what your opinion is on this.

Cheers PeeWee32

PS :
History on use_sidepath wiki
<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:bicycle%3Duse_sidepath&action=history>
History Access page
<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=OSM_tags_for_routing/Access-Restrictions&action=history>





2014-10-04 20:04 GMT+02:00 715371 <osmu715371 at gmx.de>:

> Hi,
>
> I want to mention that user ulamm is not just doing vandalism on the
> osm-db, but also on the wiki.
>
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key%3Aaccess&diff=1076542&oldid=1076413
>
> He is changing the information for Germany, where this is not true so
> far as I know.
>
> Now he is claiming this in discussions.
>
> Related to sidewalk-tagging he is doing the same: modify and than claim
> his proposal was right.
>
> You can also find suspicious modifications on [1], [2], [3], [4] and [5].
>
> Please bann him.
>
> Cheers,
> Tobias
>
> [1]
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Ahighway%3Dcycleway&diff=1078542&oldid=1056509
> [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:highway%3Dcycleway
> [3]
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:De:Description:Cycleway:Track
> [4]
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attributierung_von_Stra%C3%9Fen_in_Deutschland
> [5]
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Bicycle/Radverkehrsanlagen_kartieren
>
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