[Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=mall versus shop=shopping_centre

Janko Mihelić janjko at gmail.com
Wed Oct 22 09:07:22 UTC 2014


I suggest we use shopping_centre as a broader term. A mall is a special
type of shopping centre (big, enclosed, with amenities). Tagging a mall
with shop=shopping_centre isn't wrong, but shop=mall is more specific.

That way we can tag everything that isn't a mall but has several shops
together with shopping_centre.

Janko Mihelić
 Dana 22. 10. 2014. 00:22 osoba "John Willis" <johnw at mac.com> napisala je:

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> Sent from my iPad
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> On Oct 21, 2014, at 10:45 PM, Brad Neuhauser <brad.neuhauser at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> I was also thinking that landuse=retail makes more sense than either mall
> or shopping_centre. If you have a big building enclosing lots of shops, you
> can tag it building=mall.
>
> johnw, I understand the distinction you're making (I would call your
> "shopping_centre" a "strip mall", I think). But do you really hear people
> use these terms without overlap? Do you have some evidence of this usage?
> For example, in wikipedia, the page
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_shopping_centres_in_the_United_Kingdom
> distinguishes shopping centres (what you're defining as malls) from retail
> parks (which you're defining as shopping centres).
>
>
> A strip mall is usually much smaller. It doesn't have any anchor stores.
> Although many of them have names, most people refer to the store itself as
> their destination. "I'm going to ___shop"
>
> They would never, ever, ever say "I'm going to the mall" for any of my
> shopping centre examples - but that would be the common term for referring
> to a large mall. They would also refer to the mall by name - "I love going
> to Hanyu Aeon!" - but almost never my def of a shopping_centre.
>
> Malls are a city-wide or regional shopping attraction, distinct from a
> local group of shops on the side of the road.
>
> If we want to keep these "car centric, amenity free, roadside shopping
> areas" (whatever you want to call them) just in landuse=retail, and kill
> off shopping_centre, that's fine.  But the definition of mall needs to
> narrowed a bit to avoid this confusion.
>
> Even though there is a couple satellite shops in a retail anchor store's
> space - anything with a couple shops inside is in no way a mall. Most
> really large supermarkets have small rental spots for a bank, florist,
> coffee  shop,, dry cleaner, or a donut shop. But 3 little stores doesn't
> make it a mall.  A mall is a big, special place.
>
> Javbw
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 8:22 AM, John Willis <johnw at mac.com> wrote:
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>> On Oct 21, 2014, at 9:54 PM, Bryan Housel <bryan at 7thposition.com> wrote:
>>
>> Your description of a mall as an enclosed place makes sense to me, but
>> where I live they seem to call anything a “mall”.
>>
>> Here is the "Watchung Square Mall”:
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/258702838
>> and the “Valley Mall”:  http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/256668041
>> (both of those are really shopping centers, not malls)
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>>
>> Yea. I tagged the local shopping centre here as a mall, because it has
>> mall in the title ><. But I will be changing that.
>>
>>
>> Anyway, I avoid the `shop=mall` and `shop=shopping_centre` completely.  I
>> usually tag `landuse=retail` for the area and `building=retail` for the
>> buildings.
>>
>>
>> Me too, until realizing we have both these these tags. I love landuse=*so
>> much.
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>>
>> IMO, `shop=*` should really just be for a single shop.
>>
>>
>> Yea - the mall seems more like retail=* sub tag stuff,if one exists.
>>
>> Javbw.
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>> On Oct 21, 2014, at 7:21 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>> To me analyzing the given examples it seems as if a mall was necessarily
>> a closed place while a shopping center would/could have outdoor
>> connectivity. They appear to be similar as they both have several
>> independent shops and collective facilities like toilets and parking. Maybe
>> a mall has to have restaurants and other eating facilities, while a
>> shopping center doesn't have to (but could have). I think small sets of
>> shops with collective parking won't qualify as "mall" but they might
>> constitute a shopping center.
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