[Tagging] The "not-shops": industrial, industry, or business

[John Willis]

Yea, there needs to be a better framework for adding shops that are not in the system is a manner that is consistent, and possibly can work with -carto to have icons added by users without so much hassle. 

Here in japan, they have several different types of fast food, quick restaurants, and formal restaurants in categories everyone here recognizes - but get can't get put into a proper category or get a bad icon. 

Eg: an isakaiya is not really a pub. It's their own thing. 
And takoyaki is fast food, represented by a hamburger. 

- cuisine needs to have, probably, a thousand new tags added to cover this, and regional icons need to be paired with them. 

Making the maps more region friendly  - to conform to the expectations and customs of the mapping "language" of the region is one thing I want to work on, and this is a part of it. 

Javbw

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> On Sep 13, 2014, at 12:45 AM, Michał Brzozowski <www.haxor at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 09/03/2014 11:26 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>> Another thing that comes to my mind: maybe we could indeed create this
>> catalogue of tens of thousands of business types - who if not us will be
>> able to do such a work? This doesn't imply the mapper would have to scroll
>> long lists of thousands of entries, it could be well structured from coarse
>> to fine.
> 
> I too wondered about this problem. The current shop/craft tagging
> seems *very* broken for everything non-standard. We can't expect
> people to invent new tags for every type of service or merchandise,
> such as "tractor repair" or "chimneys". "You can use any tags you
> want", but think of the software, how can it deliver relevant results
> then?
> 
> Think what people *need*. When they go to Google Maps, they don't look
> for a supermarket or grocery, they look for some specialized
> stores/services.
> Another issue is that people passionately add OSM notes for businesses
> there's no approved tagging for.
> 
> I too, thought independently, about these human-readable description
> tags like shop:merchandise:<language> and how idiots (of which we have
> an abundance already) or diary spammers (who laugh in admins' faces)
> will abuse it. But who knows, this may be a viable solution.
> Compare with "Business Name" at
> https://support.google.com/business/answer/3038177?hl=en&ref_topic=4540086
> .
> 
> So, I checked how Google does this. And here you have all the 2200+
> POI categories you can choose from when you add your
> business/institution/whatever.
> 
> http://pastebin.com/BHqXvkS4
> 
> It seems they flattened their hierarchy here, for instance every
> cuisine has its own restaurant tag.. I guess internally there's some
> tree of categories, so that searching non-specific terms returns
> meaningful results.
> 
> Anyway, our shop/service tagging system is quite flawed in its current
> form and is suitable for consumption only at a basic level.
> 
> This presents an issue that too few people think of OSM as an
> ecosystem. We have disjoint teams (or individuals) developing
> tagging/website/editors/map style/map applications. This isn't good
> for creating a map that would serve users' needs (couldn't help myself
> but write the proverbial "displace Google Maps" ;-) )
> 
> Greetings
> Michał
> 
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