[Tagging] RFC - Criteria for taging as either via_ferrata or path

Richard Z. ricoz.osm at gmail.com
Fri Apr 24 08:27:51 UTC 2015


On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 04:57:06AM +0200, Friedrich Volkmann wrote:
> On 23.04.2015 11:59, Richard Z. wrote:
> > there were ongoing discussions concerning this subject so
> > I have ammended the wiki:
> > 
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/via_ferrata#Criteria_for_taging_as_either_via_ferrata_or_path
> 
> > "use highway=via_ferrata where people commonly use ferrata kits"
> 
> This is an individual decision. I know someone who did all ferratas
> (difficulty A-E) in eastern Austria without a ferrata kit. I also saw people
> using a ferrata kit on an easy ladder, and on a short wire rope that is
> meant as a handrail.

Sure. But the phrase "where people commonly use ferrata kits" means
where you commonly see people using ferrata kits. It may be even a toy
ferrata for children - if you see plenty of them using ferrata kits it
is probably better to tag as ferrata.

> 
> There are ferratas which are more than hundred years old. Nobody used
> ferrata kits back then, because they simply did not exist.

Back to today. Some of those very olde "ferratas" may be called ferrata but
perhaps don't really deserve to be tagged as that. Which is why I tired to
formulate this cirteria.
 
> > a path is way where a hiker can walk without a ferrata kit and without extensive use of arm muscles
> 
> See above. What's an "extensive use"? Experienced climbers will tell you
> that they do it all by technique instead of muscle power.

it means to say you do not hang on your arms for a substantial part of
the path. Ladders can and should be mapped separately so they need not 
to be considered here.
Btw most hikers are not experienced climbers.

> > a path should be safely passable without a ferrata kit even in less than optimal weather
> 
> So we need to delete all paths in high mountains, because they are neither
> ferratas nor safely passable when icy.

no. But if you can use the way safely only with a ferrata kit or climbing
equipment it should be mapped accordingly.

Richard



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