[Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

John Willis johnw at mac.com
Sun Feb 15 12:44:21 UTC 2015

Landuse=religious is a generic version of churchyard. 

I can think of several large church complexes in California - a massive Mormon temple, a Presbyterian church ground a with a small preschool, a couple Catholic Churches, a Jehovah's Witness hall, a big mega-church hall, a cult-like church that meets in a house (registered as a church so it shows up in google maps as one), a mosque, a Greek Orthodox something church, a Jewish community center, and now about 100 Buddhist temples and Shinto shrines. 

I personally visited them, not saw them from the road, I've been in them or on their grounds. 

And they are all exactly the same. Every single one. Boringly, excruciatingly, absolutely exactly the same. 

They all have big buildings, one or more main worship facility with ancillary supporting facilities, a few little buildings for various support or infrastructure reasons, a smattering of various amenities for patrons and guests, various religious statues/shrines/memorials scattered about their complex with gardens, playgrounds, grass and water features.  If it's big enough, and the largest have some way of exchanging money for religious thinngamabobs and and they all sit on an easily defined landuse. 

There are many religious places where the landuse is uncertain - where there is a grey area on what part is a church and what part is a university or school or tire center or poodle grooming center, but most of them are generic, religious service centers - and easily mapped when viewed as such. Only the religion=* and their peculiar set of amenities sets them apart. 


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> On Feb 15, 2015, at 9:19 PM, SomeoneElse <lists at atownsend.org.uk> wrote:
>> On 15/02/2015 11:17, Tom Pfeifer wrote:
>> I find that landuse=churchyard vs. landuse=religious+religion=christian have
>> the same meaning, with the advantage that the latter works multicultural.
> No.
> If you read back up through this and previous threads, you'll see that "landuse=religious" simply has no meaning at all to many people, whereas "landuse=churchyard" (in the context of the British English language used in OSM) clearly has a well-defined meaning. Ask someone to describe a "churchyard", and they'll be able to.  Ask someone to describe a "religious landuse" and they probably won't be able to (but like I said and the example that I gave, there may well be places where it's still the best fit).
> As I said in the changeset discussion here
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/25035328
> If someone's surveyed a place and thinks that it is best tagged as landuse=churchyard then it is NOT an "accepted style of mapping" for someone to change that based on aerial imagery, simply based on discussions on the tagging list. We map what we see and what we know; the strength of Openstreetmap is its local mappers.
> For the avoidance of doubt, this doesn't mean that the area around a non-Christian place of worship should be tagged as a "churchyard" - local mappers should be allowed to pick the thing that best describes their local situation.  Having never been to all of the different kinds places of worship on all continents I can't prescribe what that is, and if you haven't you shouldn't too.
> Best Regards,
> Andy Townsned
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