[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reception Desk

Andreas Goss andig88 at t-online.de
Sun Mar 8 14:22:39 UTC 2015

Why do you even bother with a proposal when you bascially don't care 
about tagging? If you want to tag reception_desks in whatever random way 
then just go ahead and do it. Then people will see what you used on 
taginfo when looking for reception and at some point you just make a 
wiki page with in use.

And I don't think there are that many options that you would not be able 
to cover the majority of them.

- A single facility covers whole area and has one or multiple receptions
- Companies have different receptions in the same building
- Multiple companies use the same reception in one building
-(Reception outside building/facility area)

That probably covers 99%

On 3/8/15 01:57 , Warin wrote:
> On 8/03/2015 10:22 AM, Andreas Goss wrote:
>>> Do you 'navigate' to 'drinking water' or simply look for the closest
>>> one?
>> Depends if I said I will meet someone at drinking water spot xyz or
>> I'm just looking for some water.
>>> most would navigate to an address .. then look on the map for parking,
>>> then look on the map for the closest reception desk
>> So that's the _quality_ of data you are fine with in OSM? Why do we
>> even tag house numbers then? Finding the right street and then looking
>> at the numbers is even easier than this, don't even have to get out of
>> the car.
> Small point ...  The data may be correct and of high quality .. but
> missing what you want .. thus lacking detail, resolution or quantity
> ...  not quality. Lacking quality would be, say, if the node were
> displaced .. say 2 kms. Or if the name was wrong.
> Most of 'my' local area has no OSM  house numbers .. nor are residential
> buildings mapped, there are a few missing street names too. The level of
> data resolution and quantity is up to the contributors, their time and
> inclination. Before I map house numbers .. I think the missing street
> names should be done? You may think that address numbers are more
> important than reception desks ..I don't, simply for the reason you have
> given above " looking at the numbers is even easier than" finding a
> reception desk in a facility .. particularly when a multi building
> facility.
>>>  A name of the reception desk would help ... but some of them are for
>>> all the firms in that
>>>  location.
>> Then why isn't this addressed at all in the proposal?
> There are many possibilities. Covering them all? I'd rather leave the
> variations up to the mapper .. they are inventive and are on the ground
> so know the situation better than I could possibly imagine it. The ones
> I know of are simple .. at least I see it that way. What you have I
> don't know and won't try to predict what the best possible solution is
> for something I can only guess at... Sorry but my crystal ball is
> broken. If there were a set preference that covers all (or at least
> most) cases then state it .. I've got no firm idea of what solution that
> is.
> -----------------------------
> This is ONE case that I know very well.
> A group of buildings - all on one site.
> One major firm owns the site... but leases parts off to other firms ..
> One reception desks for all.
> One address for all (yes all the buildings have one address).
> The reception desk is poorly marked .. has been for many decades. Not
> uncommon to find visitors wandering around lost.
> ============== thus the reception desks exist in an area with one
> address, so one address. I'd not name it .. the firms change over time ,
> but the reception desk remains. Possibly name the operator as the site
> owner. But I'd leave the name off.
> -------------------------------------------------
>> Relations which could handle this are not mentioned once.
> First time that has been mentioned. I've not though of it.  I'd see that
> as another proposal ...
> First get a tag for 'reception desk' .. whatever it is called and where
> ever it is placed on the OSM data base.
> Then see if a relationship is needed .. and if that relationship may be
> used on other features too. Like 'my' proposed relationship for area-
> steps?
>> And again how would you name it if it was just one of multiple
>> recpetions desks for one facility. Facility name => operator=*
>> name=Gate 1? So if the reception has no name then name= stays empty?
>> Do I use the plant name as operator? Or the company name?
>>>> Is it possible to put that in operator or official_name, or is the
>>>> name assumed because the point is inside the landuse?
> The basic answer would be .. how do the people there name the desks? Use
> that - the locals will understand it, visitors may be given that name
> too.  See the wiki - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name  "The
> common default name."
> Multiple reception desks for one facility? Do they have separate
> functions? Or the same functions in different locations? I'd use a name
> appropriate to the circumstance! I don't know the circumstance .. so
> don't know the answer. There are too many possibilities that exist for
> your given question.
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Request For Comments ...
> I see this as part of improving the proposal .. not as showing a
> complete, fully functional for all possible things, fault free tag. If
> only complete fault free and all encompassing tags are to be proposed
> then there will be NO tags.
> By all means comment on things that could be better ... and hopefully
> suggest possible solutions.
> Don't think a proposal should have addressed all possible things.. if
> they could see the world and all its problems, and then solve them in
> the bast possible way .. well OSM would not need proposals .. they would
> simply go straight to tags! And there would be no need of the tagging
> group.
> Criticism that a proposal is incomplete, should have address some issue
> .. before being proposed .. will simply discourage people from using the
> tagging group at all and going straight to make a tag without
> consultation .. leading to a worse situation. People here need to
> encourage proposals .. no matter how poor they might think them to be,
> to do otherwise is to discourage the use of this group.
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