[Tagging] Deleting private objects in private spaces

John Willis johnw at mac.com
Tue Mar 17 06:26:30 UTC 2015

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> On Mar 17, 2015, at 3:17 PM, Mateusz Konieczny <matkoniecz at gmail.com> wrote:
> "AKA military installations in certain countries" I would happily map military installation in Russia/North Korea/Iran/USA/whatever -
> it is not illegal for me. Maybe they can make laws making it illegal for their citizens to do this, but is it changing anything for me?

There was a big bruhaha about any mappers mapping Israeli military installations. They were deleting everything and leaving notes not to map things on that location, if I remember correctly. 

I don't know the details, but I imagine that OSM might get blocked in certain countries if certain things are mapped, I dunno. 


> 2015-03-17 6:57 GMT+01:00 johnw <johnw at mac.com>:
>> so the driveways are bad, but the powerlines are good? 
>> Aren’t the driveways in a substation part of the stubsation, just like like all the other detail that is recorded for the powerline system or fence for the substation?
>> I am against rendering.. umm.. “distribution” lines, but if mapping them is your thing, then go ahead. the power lines, especially the transmission lines, are totally, utterly private , off-limits, and lethal. And mapped. The driveway seems to be much less… dangerous or clutter inducing. 
>> Unless it is lawfully off-limits (AKA military installations in certain countries) or behind private doors, then anything is mappable. It may not be good to map it, but it is mappable.  Just like the trees or the tracks around the substation. 
>> Once we start doing indoor mapping, then the same thing will apply as well - the examples listed below are for private spaces inside a building, and those “backroom” or “private” spaces of homes and publicly accessible buildings will have to be unmapped in some way. The mapping notes below sound good. 
>> However even indoors, the paths connecting to fire escapes, hoses, and other safety items in public accessible buildings should be mapped, even if they go through a private loading dock or hallway, maybe. just another case where mapping a private path might be a good idea even in the future for indoor stuff. 
>> some kind of exception for safety or somewhat visible to the public - especially if it is part of the road network. 
>> Deleting a driveway seems a bit too much.
>> Javbw
>>> On Mar 17, 2015, at 8:46 AM, Bryce Nesbitt <bryce2 at obviously.com> wrote:
>>> I almost, but not quite, pressed delete on these:
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/272142910/history
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/272142911/history
>>> They're private objects within a private gated electrical substation.
>>> Similar to toilets inside people's homes, it feels like these should not be mapped.
>>> Scattering access=private tags on the dumpsters and enclosing ways feels like
>>> a hack.
>>> The dividing line set by the community remains murky.  How about:
>>> "Please do not map private objects in private space.  In general if
>>> the object could create a privacy concern, or is just not useful to 
>>> a member of the public, please don't add it to the database.  Note
>>> it is fully OK to map facilities within membership or fee based venues,
>>> as long as the facilities are reasonably available to members of the public."
>>> Examples not to map: toilets in homes, employee only toilets in businesses, private recycling bins, playgrounds in private homes or day care facilities.
>>> Examples to map: toilets inside DisneyLand, buildings visible from air photos, private facilities with a history of public "permissive" use.
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