[Tagging] Deleting private objects in private spaces

Mateusz Konieczny matkoniecz at gmail.com
Tue Mar 17 06:17:56 UTC 2015


"AKA military installations in certain countries" I would happily map
military installation in Russia/North Korea/Iran/USA/whatever -
it is not illegal for me. Maybe they can make laws making it illegal for
their citizens to do this, but is it changing anything for me?

2015-03-17 6:57 GMT+01:00 johnw <johnw at mac.com>:

> so the driveways are bad, but the powerlines are good?
>
> Aren’t the driveways in a substation part of the stubsation, just like
> like all the other detail that is recorded for the powerline system or
> fence for the substation?
>
> I am against rendering.. umm.. “distribution” lines, but if mapping them
> is your thing, then go ahead. the power lines, especially the transmission
> lines, are totally, utterly private , off-limits, and lethal. And mapped.
> The driveway seems to be much less… dangerous or clutter inducing.
>
> Unless it is lawfully off-limits (AKA military installations in certain
> countries) or behind private doors, then anything is mappable. It may not
> be good to map it, but it is mappable.  Just like the trees or the tracks
> around the substation.
>
> Once we start doing indoor mapping, then the same thing will apply as well
> - the examples listed below are for private spaces inside a building, and
> those “backroom” or “private” spaces of homes and publicly accessible
> buildings will have to be unmapped in some way. The mapping notes below
> sound good.
>
> However even indoors, the paths connecting to fire escapes, hoses, and
> other safety items in public accessible buildings should be mapped, even if
> they go through a private loading dock or hallway, maybe. just another case
> where mapping a private path might be a good idea even in the future for
> indoor stuff.
>
> some kind of exception for safety or somewhat visible to the public -
> especially if it is part of the road network.
>
> Deleting a driveway seems a bit too much.
>
> Javbw
>
>
> On Mar 17, 2015, at 8:46 AM, Bryce Nesbitt <bryce2 at obviously.com> wrote:
>
>
> I almost, but not quite, pressed delete on these:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/272142910/history
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/272142911/history
> They're private objects within a private gated electrical substation.
>
> Similar to toilets inside people's homes, it feels like these should not
> be mapped.
> Scattering access=private tags on the dumpsters and enclosing ways feels
> like
> a hack.
>
> The dividing line set by the community remains murky.  How about:
>
>
> "Please do not map private objects in private space.  In general if
> the object could create a privacy concern, or is just not useful to
> a member of the public, please don't add it to the database.  Note
> it is fully OK to map facilities within membership or fee based venues,
> as long as the facilities are reasonably available to members of the
> public."
>
> *Examples not to map*: toilets in homes, employee only toilets in
> businesses, private recycling bins, playgrounds in private homes or day
> care facilities.
>
> *Examples to map: *toilets inside DisneyLand, buildings visible from air
> photos, private facilities with a history of public "permissive" use.
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