[Tagging] Subject: Re: Deleting private objects in private spaces

[John F. Eldredge]

What I mean is, does the software allow you to specify that only objects 
with access permitting the general public, or access=private with only 
specified values of the operator tag, be rendered?

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John F. Eldredge -- john at jfeldredge.com
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drive out hate; only love can do that." Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.



On March 17, 2015 4:43:07 PM <jonathan at bigfatfrog67.me> wrote:

> Not sure what you mean by “Private Objects”, anything in the DB is capable 
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> Does the default rendering on the slippy map on OSM's main page show 
> private objects? If it does, then there is a loss of privacy. If it 
> doesn't, then there is a loss of feedback to mappers.
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> "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot 
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> On March 16, 2015 7:08:34 PM Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com> wrote:
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> On 17/03/2015 10:46 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
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> "Please do not map private objects in private space.  In general if
> the object could create a privacy concern, or is just not useful to
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> a member of the public, please don't add it to the database.  Note
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> it is fully OK to map facilities within membership or fee based venues,
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> as long as the facilities are reasonably available to members of the public."
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> Examples not to map: toilets in homes, employee only toilets in businesses, 
> private recycling bins, playgrounds in private homes or day care facilities.
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> Examples to map: toilets inside DisneyLand, buildings visible from air 
> photos, private facilities with a history of public "permissive" use.
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> If OSM encourages others to use the OSM data base.. why cannot they add 
> data that is 'private' to them?
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> If renderers were not to render any access=private object then the general 
> public would not be aware of these 'private' objects and
> those who want them may enter them and configure there own render to show 
> 'their' data alongside OSM data.
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> One idea is to only map stuff that is 'publicly viewable'. Some define this 
> as 'from a public place' such as a street. However with satellite views 
> being publicly available then mapping things that are not viewable from a 
> public street becomes possible with more accuracy than that of a visual 
> estimation from a public street.
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> I think that mapping stuff that is not usefull, in some way, is a waste of 
> time, public stuff or private stuff. If a person with authority wants to 
> map private stuff .. then I think that is OK. The key is the authority.
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> And then the definition of 'private' is?
> Are Universities 'private'? Are bicycle repair stations inside university 
> grounds private?
> Are private swimming pools in backyards to be mapped as they may be used in 
> an emergency to fight fires?
> The boundaries between private and public are grey ... and then their is 
> community emergency use. Murky waters.
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