[Tagging] Subject: Re: Deleting private objects in private spaces

Tue Mar 17 22:25:27 UTC 2015

Not sure what you mean by  “the software” but the Renderer’s designers choose what is displayed by the Renderer.  The standard OSM rendering of the OSM database shows objects that are marked as access=private as well as access=yes. 

As mentioned below only Public objects should be added to the DB unless they are physically noticeable such as private roads or property and they will be given an access tag of private to show they are not public.  access=private indicates the right of access to an object not that the object should be kept hidden from public disclosure.

Everything in OSM is visible to all Renderer's to display or not display aas they choose.

The OSM database is not the place for private individuals or organisations to store private data.

Hope this helps to clarify things.

Jonathan

http://bigfatfrog67.me

From: John F. Eldredge
Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎17‎ ‎March‎ ‎2015 ‎22‎:‎20
To: jonathan at bigfatfrog67.me, Tag discussion, strategy and related tools

What I mean is, does the software allow you to specify that only objects with access permitting the general public, or access=private with only specified values of the operator tag, be rendered?

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John F. Eldredge -- john at jfeldredge.com
"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

On March 17, 2015 4:43:07 PM <jonathan at bigfatfrog67.me> wrote:

Not sure what you mean by “Private Objects”, anything in the DB is capable of being displayed, depending on whether the Renderer wants to.  Nothing is Private in OSM.

Jonathan

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From: John F. Eldredge
Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎17‎ ‎March‎ ‎2015 ‎20‎:‎44
To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools

Does the default rendering on the slippy map on OSM's main page show private objects? If it does, then there is a loss of privacy. If it doesn't, then there is a loss of feedback to mappers.

-- 
John F. Eldredge -- john at jfeldredge.com
"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

On March 16, 2015 7:08:34 PM Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com> wrote:

On 17/03/2015 10:46 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:

"Please do not map private objects in private space.  In general if 
the object could create a privacy concern, or is just not useful to 

a member of the public, please don't add it to the database.  Note

it is fully OK to map facilities within membership or fee based venues,

as long as the facilities are reasonably available to members of the public."

Examples not to map: toilets in homes, employee only toilets in businesses, private recycling bins, playgrounds in private homes or day care facilities.

Examples to map: toilets inside DisneyLand, buildings visible from air photos, private facilities with a history of public "permissive" use.

If OSM encourages others to use the OSM data base.. why cannot they add data that is 'private' to them? 

If renderers were not to render any access=private object then the general public would not be aware of these 'private' objects and 
those who want them may enter them and configure there own render to show 'their' data alongside OSM data. 

One idea is to only map stuff that is 'publicly viewable'. Some define this as 'from a public place' such as a street. However with satellite views being publicly available then mapping things that are not viewable from a public street becomes possible with more accuracy than that of a visual estimation from a public street. 

I think that mapping stuff that is not usefull, in some way, is a waste of time, public stuff or private stuff. If a person with authority wants to map private stuff .. then I think that is OK. The key is the authority.  

And then the definition of 'private' is? 
Are Universities 'private'? Are bicycle repair stations inside university grounds private?  
Are private swimming pools in backyards to be mapped as they may be used in an emergency to fight fires? 
The boundaries between private and public are grey ... and then their is community emergency use. Murky waters. 

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