[Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

David Bannon dbannon at internode.on.net
Sat Mar 21 00:28:43 UTC 2015


Dave, to clarify. You use the term 'RV' as meaning a MotorHome,
accommodation built on a truck chassis, and excluding things towed
behind a car, SUV or 4x4 ?

Here, we use RV to mean Motorhome, caravan, camper. Sometimes even
broader.

David

On Sat, 2015-03-21 at 06:34 +0700, Dave Swarthout wrote:
> 
> 
> I like the idea behind this proposal overall but feel some
> clarifications are needed. In the first section: Designated means set
> aside for the purpose of camping, so that part is fine. But then you
> say:
>         2. Designated campground (camp_site=designated) - areas that
>         are made available for camping on a non-commercial basis,
>         usually for an overnight RV or caravan stay, but that are
>         equipped with no or few facilities and charge no or a nominal
>         fee;
> 
> 
> if you reword it to say:
>  "areas that are available for camping on a non-commercial basis,
> often for RV or caravan use, and that have at a minimum facilities
> like toilets, trash disposal and drinking water. Such sites may be
> free or charge a fee and may be located inside a public park or other
> recreation area. If the site is only for tents or only for RVs, add
> caravan=no or tents=no,  etc. "
> 
> 
> you will remove the bias toward RVs your version has and expand the
> definition to include more campgrounds. This sort of campground, along
> with the commercial types, is probably the most common type in the
> U.S. If you leave it as is, the bulk of the camping facilities in the
> U.S. and Alaska will not have a strong match to any of your
> categories. With this definition there, you can discard the 6th
> category entirely. I would venture to say 99% of campgrounds inside of
> National and State Parks and National Recreation areas are
> "designated", you cannot just camp anywhere. 
> 
> 
> Under Rendering:
> Your choice of an RV icon for designated sites is not good because it
> implies RV usage is the major type of camping at this place.
> 
> 
> Also, you say 
> Commercial and undefined campgrounds: Blue tent
> symbol Camping.n.16.png as currently in place
> 
> Why do you use the word undefined. It's the first time that word
> appears in the proposal and has no . I think you should say,
> commercial sites or sites that are tagged tourism=camp_site but have
> no other clarifying tags, should get the blue tent symbol.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 3:59 AM, Jan van Bekkum
> <jan.vanbekkum at gmail.com> wrote:
>         I have updated the proposal with the feedback as much as
>         possible.
>         
>         Met vriendelijke groet/with kind regards,
>         
>         Jan van Bekkum
>         www.DeEinderVoorbij.nl
>         
>         On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 1:55 PM, John Willis <johnw at mac.com>
>         wrote:
>                 
>                 I understand the risk of confusion, but:
>                 
>                 A - if there is any "informal" kind of tag there would
>                 be people who tag particularly good sites to pitch a
>                 tent in national parks or whatnot with them, and
>                 though I can only think of a couple myself I'd
>                 consider good enough to map, people will want to share
>                 this as soon as they see "informal" is available,
>                 so...
>                 
>                 B - I  don't want informal - either turnout
>                 car-camping, hotel adjacent camping, nor random
>                 trekking camp clearings confused in any way with
>                 proper, designated, car-camping /tent camping /
>                 caravan facilities - and giving people a couple extra
>                 tag values is going the reduce confusion so the actual
>                 maintained camp sites are labeled and marked correctly
>                 by taggers. I thought about the few car camping ("auto
>                 camp") / tent camping sites I'd seen in Japan recently
>                 and thought about how I would tag those, and the
>                 thoughts about tent platforms came to mind, for
>                 example, same with tagging their immaculate kitchens
>                 and amenities in another thread.
>                 
>                 I'm not a big camper anymore, nor campsite tagger, but
>                 I have been on hundreds of camping trips, covering
>                 every facility mentioned several times over (save
>                 RV/caravan sites) and there seems to be big
>                 distinctions between all the kinds I mentioned - and
>                 being able to convey those in tags seems relevant -
>                 though maybe my input is not as important because I'm
>                 not so interested in tagging those kind of sites.
>                 
>                 I hope my input was helpful, I will be voting yes on
>                 whatever is decided.
>                 
>                 Javbw
>                 
>                 > On Mar 15, 2015, at 8:46 PM, sly (sylvain letuffe)
>                 <liste2 at letuffe.org> wrote:
>                 >
>                 > dieterdreist wrote
>                 >>> Am 14.03.2015 um 05:41 schrieb John Willis <
>                 >
>                 >> johnw@
>                 >
>                 >> >:
>                 >>>
>                 >>> and mapping them for other Trekkers would be
>                 useful only if they are not
>                 >>> confused at all with all of the other, more
>                 substatial or easily accessed
>                 >>> spots in a camp or along a road.
>                 >>
>                 >> +1, I believe the tag for informal camping spots
>                 should not just be a sub
>                 >> key added to the same tag as for a commercial or
>                 otherwise official camp
>                 >> site, it should be a different main tag
>                 >
>                 > +1 from me as well. Too much risks of confusion of
>                 too different concepts.
>                 > (Please note that I just discovered on that page the
>                 existence of
>                 > impromptu=yes which imho should be warned against on
>                 the wiki, and given
>                 > it's rather low usage (400) after 8 years of
>                 existence, could also be marked
>                 > as proposed for deprecation in favor of another
>                 tourism=x top tag
>                 >
>                 >
>                 >
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