[Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings
David Bannon
dbannon at internode.on.net
Sat Mar 21 00:28:43 UTC 2015
Dave, to clarify. You use the term 'RV' as meaning a MotorHome,
accommodation built on a truck chassis, and excluding things towed
behind a car, SUV or 4x4 ?
Here, we use RV to mean Motorhome, caravan, camper. Sometimes even
broader.
David
On Sat, 2015-03-21 at 06:34 +0700, Dave Swarthout wrote:
>
>
> I like the idea behind this proposal overall but feel some
> clarifications are needed. In the first section: Designated means set
> aside for the purpose of camping, so that part is fine. But then you
> say:
> 2. Designated campground (camp_site=designated) - areas that
> are made available for camping on a non-commercial basis,
> usually for an overnight RV or caravan stay, but that are
> equipped with no or few facilities and charge no or a nominal
> fee;
>
>
> if you reword it to say:
> "areas that are available for camping on a non-commercial basis,
> often for RV or caravan use, and that have at a minimum facilities
> like toilets, trash disposal and drinking water. Such sites may be
> free or charge a fee and may be located inside a public park or other
> recreation area. If the site is only for tents or only for RVs, add
> caravan=no or tents=no, etc. "
>
>
> you will remove the bias toward RVs your version has and expand the
> definition to include more campgrounds. This sort of campground, along
> with the commercial types, is probably the most common type in the
> U.S. If you leave it as is, the bulk of the camping facilities in the
> U.S. and Alaska will not have a strong match to any of your
> categories. With this definition there, you can discard the 6th
> category entirely. I would venture to say 99% of campgrounds inside of
> National and State Parks and National Recreation areas are
> "designated", you cannot just camp anywhere.
>
>
> Under Rendering:
> Your choice of an RV icon for designated sites is not good because it
> implies RV usage is the major type of camping at this place.
>
>
> Also, you say
> Commercial and undefined campgrounds: Blue tent
> symbol Camping.n.16.png as currently in place
>
> Why do you use the word undefined. It's the first time that word
> appears in the proposal and has no . I think you should say,
> commercial sites or sites that are tagged tourism=camp_site but have
> no other clarifying tags, should get the blue tent symbol.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Dave
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> On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 3:59 AM, Jan van Bekkum
> <jan.vanbekkum at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have updated the proposal with the feedback as much as
> possible.
>
> Met vriendelijke groet/with kind regards,
>
> Jan van Bekkum
> www.DeEinderVoorbij.nl
>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 1:55 PM, John Willis <johnw at mac.com>
> wrote:
>
> I understand the risk of confusion, but:
>
> A - if there is any "informal" kind of tag there would
> be people who tag particularly good sites to pitch a
> tent in national parks or whatnot with them, and
> though I can only think of a couple myself I'd
> consider good enough to map, people will want to share
> this as soon as they see "informal" is available,
> so...
>
> B - I don't want informal - either turnout
> car-camping, hotel adjacent camping, nor random
> trekking camp clearings confused in any way with
> proper, designated, car-camping /tent camping /
> caravan facilities - and giving people a couple extra
> tag values is going the reduce confusion so the actual
> maintained camp sites are labeled and marked correctly
> by taggers. I thought about the few car camping ("auto
> camp") / tent camping sites I'd seen in Japan recently
> and thought about how I would tag those, and the
> thoughts about tent platforms came to mind, for
> example, same with tagging their immaculate kitchens
> and amenities in another thread.
>
> I'm not a big camper anymore, nor campsite tagger, but
> I have been on hundreds of camping trips, covering
> every facility mentioned several times over (save
> RV/caravan sites) and there seems to be big
> distinctions between all the kinds I mentioned - and
> being able to convey those in tags seems relevant -
> though maybe my input is not as important because I'm
> not so interested in tagging those kind of sites.
>
> I hope my input was helpful, I will be voting yes on
> whatever is decided.
>
> Javbw
>
> > On Mar 15, 2015, at 8:46 PM, sly (sylvain letuffe)
> <liste2 at letuffe.org> wrote:
> >
> > dieterdreist wrote
> >>> Am 14.03.2015 um 05:41 schrieb John Willis <
> >
> >> johnw@
> >
> >> >:
> >>>
> >>> and mapping them for other Trekkers would be
> useful only if they are not
> >>> confused at all with all of the other, more
> substatial or easily accessed
> >>> spots in a camp or along a road.
> >>
> >> +1, I believe the tag for informal camping spots
> should not just be a sub
> >> key added to the same tag as for a commercial or
> otherwise official camp
> >> site, it should be a different main tag
> >
> > +1 from me as well. Too much risks of confusion of
> too different concepts.
> > (Please note that I just discovered on that page the
> existence of
> > impromptu=yes which imho should be warned against on
> the wiki, and given
> > it's rather low usage (400) after 8 years of
> existence, could also be marked
> > as proposed for deprecation in favor of another
> tourism=x top tag
> >
> >
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