[Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

Dave Swarthout daveswarthout at gmail.com
Fri Mar 20 23:34:04 UTC 2015


I like the idea behind this proposal overall but feel some clarifications
are needed. In the first section: Designated means set aside for the
purpose of camping, so that part is fine. But then you say:

2. Designated campground (camp_site
<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:camp_site&action=edit&redlink=1>
=designated
<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:camp_site%3Ddesignated&action=edit&redlink=1>)
- areas that are made available for camping on a non-commercial basis,
usually for an overnight RV or caravan stay, but that are equipped with no
or few facilities and charge no or a nominal fee;


if you reword it to say:
 "areas that are available for camping on a non-commercial basis, often for
RV or caravan use, and that have at a minimum facilities like toilets,
trash disposal and drinking water. Such sites may be free or charge a fee
and may be located inside a public park or other recreation area. If the
site is only for tents or only for RVs, add caravan=no or tents=no,  etc. "

you will remove the bias toward RVs your version has and expand the
definition to include more campgrounds. This sort of campground, along with
the commercial types, is probably the most common type in the U.S. If you
leave it as is, the bulk of the camping facilities in the U.S. and Alaska
will not have a strong match to any of your categories. With this
definition there, you can discard the 6th category entirely. I would
venture to say 99% of campgrounds inside of National and State Parks and
National Recreation areas are "designated", you cannot just camp anywhere.

Under Rendering:
Your choice of an RV icon for designated sites is not good because it
implies RV usage is the major type of camping at this place.

Also, you say
Commercial and undefined campgrounds: Blue tent symbol [image:
Camping.n.16.png] <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Camping.n.16.png> as
currently in place
Why do you use the word undefined. It's the first time that word appears in
the proposal and has no . I think you should say, commercial sites or sites
that are tagged tourism=camp_site but have no other clarifying tags, should
get the blue tent symbol.

Regards,

Dave




On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 3:59 AM, Jan van Bekkum <jan.vanbekkum at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I have updated the proposal
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/camp_site%3D*> with
> the feedback as much as possible.
>
> Met vriendelijke groet/with kind regards,
>
> *Jan van Bekkum*
> www.DeEinderVoorbij.nl
>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 1:55 PM, John Willis <johnw at mac.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I understand the risk of confusion, but:
>>
>> A - if there is any "informal" kind of tag there would be people who tag
>> particularly good sites to pitch a tent in national parks or whatnot with
>> them, and though I can only think of a couple myself I'd consider good
>> enough to map, people will want to share this as soon as they see
>> "informal" is available, so...
>>
>> B - I  don't want informal - either turnout car-camping, hotel adjacent
>> camping, nor random trekking camp clearings confused in any way with
>> proper, designated, car-camping /tent camping / caravan facilities - and
>> giving people a couple extra tag values is going the reduce confusion so
>> the actual maintained camp sites are labeled and marked correctly by
>> taggers. I thought about the few car camping ("auto camp") / tent camping
>> sites I'd seen in Japan recently and thought about how I would tag those,
>> and the thoughts about tent platforms came to mind, for example, same with
>> tagging their immaculate kitchens and amenities in another thread.
>>
>> I'm not a big camper anymore, nor campsite tagger, but I have been on
>> hundreds of camping trips, covering every facility mentioned several times
>> over (save RV/caravan sites) and there seems to be big distinctions between
>> all the kinds I mentioned - and being able to convey those in tags seems
>> relevant - though maybe my input is not as important because I'm not so
>> interested in tagging those kind of sites.
>>
>> I hope my input was helpful, I will be voting yes on whatever is decided.
>>
>> Javbw
>>
>> > On Mar 15, 2015, at 8:46 PM, sly (sylvain letuffe) <liste2 at letuffe.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > dieterdreist wrote
>> >>> Am 14.03.2015 um 05:41 schrieb John Willis <
>> >
>> >> johnw@
>> >
>> >> >:
>> >>>
>> >>> and mapping them for other Trekkers would be useful only if they are
>> not
>> >>> confused at all with all of the other, more substatial or easily
>> accessed
>> >>> spots in a camp or along a road.
>> >>
>> >> +1, I believe the tag for informal camping spots should not just be a
>> sub
>> >> key added to the same tag as for a commercial or otherwise official
>> camp
>> >> site, it should be a different main tag
>> >
>> > +1 from me as well. Too much risks of confusion of too different
>> concepts.
>> > (Please note that I just discovered on that page the existence of
>> > impromptu=yes which imho should be warned against on the wiki, and given
>> > it's rather low usage (400) after 8 years of existence, could also be
>> marked
>> > as proposed for deprecation in favor of another tourism=x top tag
>> >
>> >
>> >
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