[Tagging] shop=confectionery / pastry / candy / sweets

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On 11/05/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com> wrote:
> I believe there is some overlap between the shop values
>
> confectionery
> pastry
> candy
> sweets
>
> shop=confectionery is used much more often than the other 3 (10K vs. 300
> vs. 100 vs. 50) and is likely covering all of these, but is quite generic.
> For the very reason it can be used for both: pastry (baker's confections)
> and candy (sugar confections), it is often less useful IMHO (at least
> without subtag, which is currently not documented). "often", because in
> some countries these tend to be distinct shops, but in other contexts there
> might be shops that are offering both kind.
>
> If you are looking for sugar confections or baker's confections, finding a
> shop that only sells the other variant of confections will not be helpful
> but rather a big annoyance.
>
> From previous discussions on this matter I believe to remember that
> "pastry" is actually not covering the entire subset of baker's confections,
> so the term might be less appropriate.
>
> "sweets" is not very specific neither, is not defined in the wiki and can
> maybe cover both, candy and pastry, or might be a synonym for candy/sugar
> confections (I am not sure about this, would be nice to hear what the
> natives say). It also doesn't seem to add any additional information with
> respect to confectionery, so I would suggest to deprecate its use
> completely.
>
> I think we could deal with this situation in several ways:
>
> a) use confectionery, pastry and candy as competing top-level tags and
> suggest to be the most specific where possible (i.e. aim to have only mixed
> shops tagged with the generic confectionery tag and recommend the more
> specific pastry and candy tags where applicable).
>
> b) recommend to only use confectionery as the main top level tag and use
> subtags like bakers_confectionery=yes and/or sugar_confectionery=yes to
> make the distinction
>
> c) your suggestion here
>
> Personally I favor b). What do you think?

My initial reaction was "there's no overlap between pastry and
confectionery, they are totally different things". Some cultural
background: in France, shops selling candys are very rare, but shops
selling pastries are very common because bread shops are everywhere
and usually also sell pastries and danishes. Pastry-only shops are
quite rare. See also shop=patisserie (62 uses).

But using shop=confectionery and refining that into raw sug^W^Wsubtags
makes sense too.

For the subtag itself, I'm not a fan of FOO_confectionery=yes: I think
that confectionery=FOO follows established tag-creation best practices
better. It's used a bit in the db already. And if one needs to tag
multiple types, either "confectionery=FOO;BAR" or
"confectionery:FOO=yes confectgionery:BAR=yes" works for me (but I
prefer the later).