[Tagging] shop=confectionery / pastry / candy / sweets

[Brad Neuhauser]

In my experience, most places that sell pastries would be better tagged as
bakery. Even if they only sell pastries (ie no bread), they do have to bake
them, right? :)

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 5:43 AM, moltonel 3x Combo <moltonel at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 11/05/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I believe there is some overlap between the shop values
> >
> > confectionery
> > pastry
> > candy
> > sweets
> >
> > shop=confectionery is used much more often than the other 3 (10K vs. 300
> > vs. 100 vs. 50) and is likely covering all of these, but is quite
> generic.
> > For the very reason it can be used for both: pastry (baker's confections)
> > and candy (sugar confections), it is often less useful IMHO (at least
> > without subtag, which is currently not documented). "often", because in
> > some countries these tend to be distinct shops, but in other contexts
> there
> > might be shops that are offering both kind.
> >
> > If you are looking for sugar confections or baker's confections, finding
> a
> > shop that only sells the other variant of confections will not be helpful
> > but rather a big annoyance.
> >
> > From previous discussions on this matter I believe to remember that
> > "pastry" is actually not covering the entire subset of baker's
> confections,
> > so the term might be less appropriate.
> >
> > "sweets" is not very specific neither, is not defined in the wiki and can
> > maybe cover both, candy and pastry, or might be a synonym for candy/sugar
> > confections (I am not sure about this, would be nice to hear what the
> > natives say). It also doesn't seem to add any additional information with
> > respect to confectionery, so I would suggest to deprecate its use
> > completely.
> >
> > I think we could deal with this situation in several ways:
> >
> > a) use confectionery, pastry and candy as competing top-level tags and
> > suggest to be the most specific where possible (i.e. aim to have only
> mixed
> > shops tagged with the generic confectionery tag and recommend the more
> > specific pastry and candy tags where applicable).
> >
> > b) recommend to only use confectionery as the main top level tag and use
> > subtags like bakers_confectionery=yes and/or sugar_confectionery=yes to
> > make the distinction
> >
> > c) your suggestion here
> >
> > Personally I favor b). What do you think?
>
> My initial reaction was "there's no overlap between pastry and
> confectionery, they are totally different things". Some cultural
> background: in France, shops selling candys are very rare, but shops
> selling pastries are very common because bread shops are everywhere
> and usually also sell pastries and danishes. Pastry-only shops are
> quite rare. See also shop=patisserie (62 uses).
>
> But using shop=confectionery and refining that into raw sug^W^Wsubtags
> makes sense too.
>
> For the subtag itself, I'm not a fan of FOO_confectionery=yes: I think
> that confectionery=FOO follows established tag-creation best practices
> better. It's used a bit in the db already. And if one needs to tag
> multiple types, either "confectionery=FOO;BAR" or
> "confectionery:FOO=yes confectgionery:BAR=yes" works for me (but I
> prefer the later).
>
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