[Tagging] Tagging FOR the renderer
Janko Mihelić
janjko at gmail.com
Sat May 16 07:55:05 UTC 2015
It maybe controversial, but I think we don't want "everyone" editing the
map. I think we need some barriers to filter out people who are "good"
mappers. Good mappers have to understand this is not a service for them,
but a community. They have to understand this is not a drawn map but a
database. They have to appreciate the effort of others, and so on.
Of course, not everyone is a good mapper from the start, and starting to
map should be easy and fun. And I think it is. But if you want to go to the
next step and become a regular mapper, something not being rendered
shouldn't be an obstacle for you to continue mapping it.
Janko
sub, 16. svi 2015. 05:03 André Pirard <A.Pirard.Papou at gmail.com> je napisao:
> On 2015-05-16 01:40, Frederik Ramm wrote :
>
> Hi,
>
> On 05/16/2015 12:03 AM, pmailkeey . wrote:
>
> I don't know whether this has been discussed or even mooted before...
>
>
> Often.
>
>
> Tagging for the renderer is natural. Mappers, especially newbies will be
> disappointed their pet new feature they've just added to the db does not
> appear on the map.
>
>
> Thing is, there is no "THE" map. There's tons of maps in various colour
> schemes and designs, as well as tons of non-map uses of our data, and
> this is one of the super strenghts of OSM - we record that there's a
> motorway, and the map maker can define how they want the motorway drawn.
>
> Yes, there is "THE" ("main") map at OSM.org but indeed I don't remember
> having ever read what it is for.
> Tentatively it's a tourism, traveler's etc. *general* map like those one
> finds in bookshops on paper, but ecologic.
> But lately, under "Is what we're doing useful?", I reported a reply from
> Tom Hughes
> <https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/871#issuecomment-69663724>
> seeming to say that THE map is not for the general public and refusing to
> set a help page for it (plus saying that the documentation we make amounts
> to being crap). So, every tagger is invited to make and publish his own
> rendering and to pay Google so that it were advertised better than the
> others.
>
> Your suggestion would kill that flexibility, and everyone would have to
> adhere to that one colour scheme set up by the mapper or editor. It
> would totally run against everything we hold dear.
>
> I understand that what pmailkee suggests is basically similar to what I
> once suggested: lessen tagging for the renderer by finding means to make
> rendering simpler to implement so that every specific tiny feature is not a
> hassle to render and that the tagger finds "legal" ways to tag with
> rendering (making visible) the features *he* holds dear. The proposed
> solutions may well not be the best ones but...
> Just like what you write here, all the answers were "NOT". Even stupidly
> laughing at what I wrote.
> There was *not a single* attempt to suggest alternative solutions to the
> problem.
> Consequently, the consensus was "we prefer tagging for the renderer".
>
> An alternative is for example using something like a rendered
> "landuse=tourism" for features more specifically defined with Logical
> Structured tagging attributes like tourism:leisure=maze,
> tourism:leisure=miniature_golf, tourism=camp_site, etc., any feature that
> fits on an area with a name for touristic purpose. Other purposes alike.
> That tag would fill an otherwise empty area with any plain color the
> render chooses and write a name on it unless some more specific rendering
> exists. And the tagger would be glad that not only the feature found by
> search are made visible (and back to invisible when the search pane is
> closed).
> I called that "generic rendering" and even that was refused (the examples
> above are generalized existing tags).
> So, the general consensus answer is clearly "please do tag for the
> renderer".
>
> Cheers
>
> André.
>
> What you are talking about is essentially "MS Paint with multi-user
> capability". That's certainly an interesting project in itself but not
> something that we should remotely consider in OSM.
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
>
>
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