[Tagging] Opening hours, default for public holidays

[Stephan Knauss]

Hello Robin, 

thanks for referring to the previous discussion. Seems I had missed that. 

As a "global" default won't work due to the arguments mentioned, how about making it easier for the data consumers? 

We still face the problem that a lot of opening hours are incompletely specified.  So for example the opening hours js library could display a warning in case of a public holiday and missing explicit specification in the tags. Would give a heads up notice to be more cautious with the data. 

Is there already an osmose category existing to find incomplete opening hours? 

Stephan 


On November 20, 2015 12:35:42 AM GMT+07:00, Robin Schneider <ypid at riseup.net> wrote:
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>On 19.11.2015 13:01, Stephan Knauss wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> the wiki page describes that "PH off" is required in case something
>is 
>> closed on a public holiday.
>> 
>> This page confirms it: 
>> http://openingh.openstreetmap.de/evaluation_tool/?setLng=de a
>facility
>> tagged with "Mo-Fr 10:00-18:00" would be open on Christmas Friday.
>> 
>> Wouldn't it be much more meaningful to assume a default of "PH off"
>and 
>> just specify situations in which this is not the default? Likely the 
>> majority of amenities with tagged opening hours are closed on public 
>> holidays.
>> 
>> Check of OSM data: Out of 445 banks in Bavaria with opening hours 417
>would
>> be open on a public holiday (which is certainly always wrong).
>> 
>> Having the need to add PH off to every single entry would make it
>explicit,
>>  but is contrary to the typical common understanding of opening
>hours. And
>>  we also don't add oneway=no to the highways to make it explicit.
>> 
>> So I suggest to adopt a default understanding of "PH off" unless
>tagged 
>> otherwise.
>> 
>> Would it be worth opening a ticket here? 
>> https://github.com/ypid/opening_hours.js
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>
>Good evening Stephan
>
>You are not the first one with this idea. It has already be discoursed
>and it
>was rejected. Such a proposal would make sense when looking only at
>Germany
>but it does not work so well when applied worldwide …
>
>Refs:
>
>- - (Assuming you speak German):
>https://blog.openstreetmap.de/blog/2015/04/wochenaufgabe-oeffnungszeiten/#comment-143413
>- -
>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/opening_hours_default_PH_off
>
>- -- 
>Live long and prosper
>Robin `ypid` Schneider
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