[Tagging] new access value
kieron.thwaites at gmail.com
Mon Oct 5 11:34:36 UTC 2015
I'm of the opinion that "visitors" is indeed the best translation to what you
From: Friedrich Volkmann [mailto:bsd at volki.at]
Sent: Monday, 05 October 2015 12:02
To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools <tagging at openstreetmap.org>
Subject: [Tagging] new access value
I intend to write a proposal for a new access=* value, but I don't know a
reasonable tag name. So I'm asking you for suggestions.
We need the tag for Austrian road signs labelled "ausgenommen Anrainerverkehr"
or "ausgenommen Anliegerverkehr", where "ausgenommen" means "excepted" and
"Anrainerverkehr" or "Anliegerverkehr" is the word I am struggling to
translate. These signs are mostly used in conjunction with [no vehicles] or
[no motor vehicles] signs.
There are similar signs in Germany and Switzerland, although there has been
some debate whether the terms mean the same thing. So I am primarily
considering Austrian jurisdiction by now. The Germans or Swiss can then decide
whether they use the new access value or not.
The meaning is a superset of
access=private/customers/delivery/agricultural/forestry. Everyone is permitted
to use the feature (road) if - and only if - he is either a resident or owner
of adjacent property or if he is aiming to get in contact or business with a
resident or owner.
So if you own the property beside the street, you are permitted to use the
If you want to visit a resident for a talk, you are permitted.
If you are delivering to a resident, you are permitted.
Hotel guests are permitted.
If you want to visit a shop, you are permitted.
If you want to visit someone who turns out to be not at home, you are
permitted anyway because you could not know.
But you are *not* permitted to drive in if you just want to park your car
there and take a walk.
Or if you are intending to drive through without being a resident/owner.
Or if you want to shoot photos of the buildings, without visiting them.
Or if you do some mapping for OSM.
Many people have been using (motor_)vehicle=destination for this, but that's
just wrong, because "destination" would mean that you are allowed to drive in
to take a walk or shoot photos. In exchange, "destination" would prohibt
residents from driving through - but they are actually allowed to do so.
I have been using (motor_)vehicle=delivery, because it's more permissive than
private, and I always felt that delivery somewhat implies customers.
But it's not fully correct either, because pedestrian areas exist where
deliverers are permitted to drive in, while customers are not.
So we need a new tag.
or *=guests (but this could make believe that deliverers are excluded) or
*=contact (puzzling?) or *=contact_with_residents (too bulky?) or
*=contact_with_abutters (same) or *=in_touch... ?
What do you think?
Friedrich K. Volkmann http://www.volki.at/
Adr.: Davidgasse 76-80/14/10, 1100 Wien, Austria
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