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johnw at mac.com
Thu Oct 8 02:21:40 UTC 2015
> On Oct 8, 2015, at 2:43 AM, Friedrich Volkmann <bsd at volki.at> wrote:
> This case would be unthinkable here in Central Europe.
The police have no power because the road is public and built, so people are legally allowed to drive on it. There is no division between locals and visitors because we're all "public". Public roads are truly "public" roads. Your "house" begins at your property line.
With this in mind, private roads, gated communities, and other privately owned places exist in order to gate off road to (among other things) stop non-residents from cutting through.
Roads very often times have turn restrictions to avoid short-cutters near busy intersections - but for roads leading into communities (for a long cut-through between arterial roads), they really can't stop people from entering - and the idea of checking drivers' licenses for residence information is unlawful stop and search - what crime is the person committing by entering or exiting the community how would the police be bale to tell who os a resident? Since there is no assumption of a crime, a police stop AFAIK would be an illegal stop.
So new residential neighborhoods are very convoluted and full of dead ends to make the through path longer and slower (and covered with stop signs) to deter cutters.
Also - the police put a speed trap in the middle, as cutters are usually speeding, so a 50mph in a 25mph residential street is a hefty ticket.
So no, there is no way to enforce "thru traffic" signs, but there are several other ways to deter or eliminate cutters through other means, but old roads are usually out of luck.
How do they enforce it in Europe? Stickers on cars? Stop and ask?
They use stickers/passes for parking on the street enforcement in busy/congested places (near the beach, near colleges).
I live in Japan now, and I have to show my residence card upon request for any reason by an official or police anywhere. Since I am not Asian, I have never been asked.
In America, just stating "I am an American" is grounds for them to stop talking to me and let me go even at a (somewhat illegal) "immigration checkpoint" they do randomly on highways - it is against US law to detain a citizen for no reason - Especially to check where they live.
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