[Tagging] WG: how to tag a "highway" that doesn't exist?

GerdP gpetermann_muenchen at hotmail.com
Sun Oct 25 09:24:50 UTC 2015 

I've never commented the large tiger imports, but
sometimes asked for a review by one of the later 
editors, when they appeared to be locals.

Gerd

Hans De Kryger wrote
> ​The example above i mentioned (​
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/5987185/history) i'm guessing i shouldn't
> contact anyone since it was a tiger upload from 2007?
> 
> *Regards,*
> 
> *Hans*
> 
> *http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13
> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13>*
> 
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 2:02 AM, Hans De Kryger <

> hans.dekryger13@

> >
> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for getting back to me, if you have a list of them shoot it my
>> way.
>> I'll start working on them.
>>
>> *Regards,*
>>
>> *Hans*
>>
>> *http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13
>> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13>*
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 1:55 AM, GerdP <

> gpetermann_muenchen@

> >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Hans,
>>>
>>> I think that is part of the problem, you always have to decide if the
>>> way is of any use for others, else we could just use a mass edit.
>>> Each case needs review and thinking, that's why I am asking for help ;-)
>>> As long as you contact the original mapper I see no problem.
>>>
>>> Gerd
>>>
>>>
>>> Hans De Kryger wrote
>>> > Hey Gerd,
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for reaching out to me, i have to say I'm a little confused.
>>> The
>>> > ways you mentioned were a mistake and were suppose to be tagged
>>> > (historic,railway etc) i get. But like the example shown here (1)
>>> there
>>> > seems to be no plausible reason for it? It seems to me that any
>>> examples
>>> > which are similar to this need to be deleted. The original mapper can
>>> > always be contacted beforehand.
>>> >
>>> > (1)
>>> >
>>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?way=5987185#map=19/32.97970/-117.05502
>>> >
>>> > *Regards,*
>>> >
>>> > *Hans*
>>> >
>>> > *http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13
>>> > <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13>*
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 1:03 AM, GerdP <
>>>
>>> > gpetermann_muenchen@
>>>
>>> > >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hi Hans,
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes, I think I need help, not only from you:
>>> >> I've commented many of the changesets which introduced
>>> >> new highway=* tags on ways which are rarely used.
>>> >>
>>> >> I learned that many of them were typos, often
>>> >> highway=* should be historic=* or railway=* or
>>> >> waterway=*. I think I can manage to cleanup those.
>>> >>
>>> >> If we decide to change those with tags values like pre_proposed,
>>> paper,
>>> >> design,not_yet_bla_bla to a note describing the reason why the
>>> >> way doesn't yet deserve a highway=proposed tag
>>> >> it would be great if the mappers would do that.
>>> >>
>>> >> I think the best way to do that without being to rude is to
>>> >> change the highway tag to a note AND add a specific comment
>>> >> to the corresponding changeset which introduced the tag, something
>>> >> like "please review way 1234567, I've changed the rarely used tag
>>> >> highway=xyz to a note. See also
>>> > 
> <link to this discussion>
>>> > .
>>> >>
>>> >> I did that a few times now without any complains from the mappers,
>>> >> so I hope that's okay.
>>> >>
>>> >> Gerd
>>> >>
>>> >> Hans De Kryger wrote
>>> >> > Let me know if you need any help.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > *Regards,*
>>> >> >
>>> >> > *Hans*
>>> >> >
>>> >> > *http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13
>>> >> > <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13>*
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 11:53 PM, Gerd Petermann <
>>> >>
>>> >> > GPetermann_muenchen@
>>> >>
>>> >> >> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Hi Hans,
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> that was my thought as well. I assume I have to check all the
>>> >> suspicious
>>> >> >> entries that
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/highway#values
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> shows. The data is a bit out-aged now (2015-10-14 23:58 UTC)
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> as I am constantly cleaning up but I think 842 different highway=*
>>> >> tags
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> are far too many, both for consumers and for newbies.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Gerd
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> ------------------------------
>>> >> >> *Von:* Hans De Kryger <
>>> >>
>>> >> > hans.dekryger13@
>>> >>
>>> >> > >
>>> >> >> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 16. Oktober 2015 08:13
>>> >> >> *An:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
>>> >> >> *Betreff:* Re: [Tagging] WG: how to tag a "highway" that doesn't
>>> >> exist?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Thanks for the examples, i definitely disagree with both examples.
>>> >> Makes
>>> >> >> no sense to have those at all to me. In my opinion they need to be
>>> >> >> reverted/deleted.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> *Regards,*
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> *Hans*
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> *http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13
>>> >> >> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13>
>>> >> >> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13>
>>> OpenStreetMap
>>> >> |
>>> >> >> TheDutchMan13 OpenStreetMap is the free wiki world map. ...
>>> "Changing
>>> >> the
>>> >> >> world one edit at a time" In love with OpenStreetMap! I mostly map
>>> >> within
>>> >> >> the borders of Arizona. Weitere Informationen...
>>> >> >> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13> *
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Gerd Petermann <
>>> >> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> > GPetermann_muenchen@
>>> >>
>>> >> >> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Oops, forgot to set the list on cc
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> ------------------------------
>>> >> >>> *Von:* Gerd Petermann
>>> >> >>> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 16. Oktober 2015 07:21
>>> >> >>> *An:* Hans De Kryger
>>> >> >>> *Betreff:* AW: [Tagging] how to tag a "highway" that doesn't
>>> exist?
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Example:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/5987185
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> which is just the first best from 130 "highway=unbuilt" ways,
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Its history shows that it was imported in 2007.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Just a few m south is another one:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/199739291>
>>> >> >>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/199739291
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> which doesn't have a long history but seems to be
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> exactly like it.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Gerd
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> ------------------------------
>>> >> >>> *Von:* Hans De Kryger <
>>> >>
>>> >> > hans.dekryger13@
>>> >>
>>> >> > >
>>> >> >>> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 16. Oktober 2015 01:09
>>> >> >>> *An:* OpenStreetMap
>>> >> >>> *Cc:* Gerd Petermann
>>> >> >>> *Betreff:* Re: [Tagging] how to tag a "highway" that doesn't
>>> exist?
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Do you have any examples?
>>> >> >>> On Oct 15, 2015 12:27 PM, "Mateusz Konieczny" <
>>> >>
>>> >> > matkoniecz@
>>> >>
>>> >> > >
>>> >> >>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 13:35:08 +0000
>>> >> >>>> Gerd Petermann <
>>> >>
>>> >> > gpetermann_muenchen@
>>> >>
>>> >> > > wrote:
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> > Hi all,
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> > forgive me if this was discussed before:
>>> >> >>>> > There seems to be a need to map highways which do not exist.
>>> >> >>>> > I understand the idea that we map highway=proposed /
>>> >> highway=planned
>>> >> >>>> > as this might be used to visualize a plan, I can also
>>> understand
>>> >> that
>>> >> >>>> > we have tags like highway=dismantled and highway=razed (which
>>> seem
>>> >> to
>>> >> >>>> > mean the same) but why do we have ways with
>>> >> >>>> > highway=x-residential , highway=unbuilt ,  highway=neverbuilt,
>>> and
>>> >> >>>> > several more with similar meaning ?
>>> >> >>>> > They all seem to describe ways which where once added as
>>> normal
>>> >> >>>> > highway=* to the database and later someone found out that
>>> there
>>> >> is
>>> >> >>>> > no highway, but did not dare to remove the way.
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> > Is that meant to document something important?
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> > Gerd
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> Purpose of such objects is to ensure that armchair mappers will
>>> not
>>> >> >>>> remap it again. Object with note=* seem better than
>>> >> highway=neverbuilt.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> In case of low risk of remapping by armachair mappers such ways
>>> may
>>> >> be
>>> >> >>>> safely deleted.
>>> >> >>>>
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