[Tagging] WG: how to tag a "highway" that doesn't exist?

Hans De Kryger hans.dekryger13 at gmail.com
Sun Oct 25 09:09:23 UTC 2015


​The example above i mentioned (​
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/5987185/history) i'm guessing i shouldn't
contact anyone since it was a tiger upload from 2007?

*Regards,*

*Hans*

*http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13
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On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 2:02 AM, Hans De Kryger <hans.dekryger13 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks for getting back to me, if you have a list of them shoot it my way.
> I'll start working on them.
>
> *Regards,*
>
> *Hans*
>
> *http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13
> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13>*
>
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 1:55 AM, GerdP <gpetermann_muenchen at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Hans,
>>
>> I think that is part of the problem, you always have to decide if the
>> way is of any use for others, else we could just use a mass edit.
>> Each case needs review and thinking, that's why I am asking for help ;-)
>> As long as you contact the original mapper I see no problem.
>>
>> Gerd
>>
>>
>> Hans De Kryger wrote
>> > Hey Gerd,
>> >
>> > Thanks for reaching out to me, i have to say I'm a little confused. The
>> > ways you mentioned were a mistake and were suppose to be tagged
>> > (historic,railway etc) i get. But like the example shown here (1) there
>> > seems to be no plausible reason for it? It seems to me that any examples
>> > which are similar to this need to be deleted. The original mapper can
>> > always be contacted beforehand.
>> >
>> > (1)
>> >
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?way=5987185#map=19/32.97970/-117.05502
>> >
>> > *Regards,*
>> >
>> > *Hans*
>> >
>> > *http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13
>> > <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13>*
>> >
>> > On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 1:03 AM, GerdP <
>>
>> > gpetermann_muenchen@
>>
>> > >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Hans,
>> >>
>> >> Yes, I think I need help, not only from you:
>> >> I've commented many of the changesets which introduced
>> >> new highway=* tags on ways which are rarely used.
>> >>
>> >> I learned that many of them were typos, often
>> >> highway=* should be historic=* or railway=* or
>> >> waterway=*. I think I can manage to cleanup those.
>> >>
>> >> If we decide to change those with tags values like pre_proposed, paper,
>> >> design,not_yet_bla_bla to a note describing the reason why the
>> >> way doesn't yet deserve a highway=proposed tag
>> >> it would be great if the mappers would do that.
>> >>
>> >> I think the best way to do that without being to rude is to
>> >> change the highway tag to a note AND add a specific comment
>> >> to the corresponding changeset which introduced the tag, something
>> >> like "please review way 1234567, I've changed the rarely used tag
>> >> highway=xyz to a note. See also
>> > <link to this discussion>
>> > .
>> >>
>> >> I did that a few times now without any complains from the mappers,
>> >> so I hope that's okay.
>> >>
>> >> Gerd
>> >>
>> >> Hans De Kryger wrote
>> >> > Let me know if you need any help.
>> >> >
>> >> > *Regards,*
>> >> >
>> >> > *Hans*
>> >> >
>> >> > *http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13
>> >> > <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13>*
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 11:53 PM, Gerd Petermann <
>> >>
>> >> > GPetermann_muenchen@
>> >>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hi Hans,
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> that was my thought as well. I assume I have to check all the
>> >> suspicious
>> >> >> entries that
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/highway#values
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> shows. The data is a bit out-aged now (2015-10-14 23:58 UTC)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> as I am constantly cleaning up but I think 842 different highway=*
>> >> tags
>> >> >>
>> >> >> are far too many, both for consumers and for newbies.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Gerd
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ------------------------------
>> >> >> *Von:* Hans De Kryger <
>> >>
>> >> > hans.dekryger13@
>> >>
>> >> > >
>> >> >> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 16. Oktober 2015 08:13
>> >> >> *An:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
>> >> >> *Betreff:* Re: [Tagging] WG: how to tag a "highway" that doesn't
>> >> exist?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks for the examples, i definitely disagree with both examples.
>> >> Makes
>> >> >> no sense to have those at all to me. In my opinion they need to be
>> >> >> reverted/deleted.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> *Regards,*
>> >> >>
>> >> >> *Hans*
>> >> >>
>> >> >> *http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13
>> >> >> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13>
>> >> >> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13> OpenStreetMap
>> >> |
>> >> >> TheDutchMan13 OpenStreetMap is the free wiki world map. ...
>> "Changing
>> >> the
>> >> >> world one edit at a time" In love with OpenStreetMap! I mostly map
>> >> within
>> >> >> the borders of Arizona. Weitere Informationen...
>> >> >> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13> *
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Gerd Petermann <
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >> > GPetermann_muenchen@
>> >>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Oops, forgot to set the list on cc
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> ------------------------------
>> >> >>> *Von:* Gerd Petermann
>> >> >>> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 16. Oktober 2015 07:21
>> >> >>> *An:* Hans De Kryger
>> >> >>> *Betreff:* AW: [Tagging] how to tag a "highway" that doesn't exist?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Example:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/5987185
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> which is just the first best from 130 "highway=unbuilt" ways,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Its history shows that it was imported in 2007.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Just a few m south is another one:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/199739291>
>> >> >>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/199739291
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> which doesn't have a long history but seems to be
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> exactly like it.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Gerd
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> ------------------------------
>> >> >>> *Von:* Hans De Kryger <
>> >>
>> >> > hans.dekryger13@
>> >>
>> >> > >
>> >> >>> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 16. Oktober 2015 01:09
>> >> >>> *An:* OpenStreetMap
>> >> >>> *Cc:* Gerd Petermann
>> >> >>> *Betreff:* Re: [Tagging] how to tag a "highway" that doesn't exist?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Do you have any examples?
>> >> >>> On Oct 15, 2015 12:27 PM, "Mateusz Konieczny" <
>> >>
>> >> > matkoniecz@
>> >>
>> >> > >
>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 13:35:08 +0000
>> >> >>>> Gerd Petermann <
>> >>
>> >> > gpetermann_muenchen@
>> >>
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> > Hi all,
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > forgive me if this was discussed before:
>> >> >>>> > There seems to be a need to map highways which do not exist.
>> >> >>>> > I understand the idea that we map highway=proposed /
>> >> highway=planned
>> >> >>>> > as this might be used to visualize a plan, I can also understand
>> >> that
>> >> >>>> > we have tags like highway=dismantled and highway=razed (which
>> seem
>> >> to
>> >> >>>> > mean the same) but why do we have ways with
>> >> >>>> > highway=x-residential , highway=unbuilt ,  highway=neverbuilt,
>> and
>> >> >>>> > several more with similar meaning ?
>> >> >>>> > They all seem to describe ways which where once added as normal
>> >> >>>> > highway=* to the database and later someone found out that there
>> >> is
>> >> >>>> > no highway, but did not dare to remove the way.
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > Is that meant to document something important?
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > Gerd
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Purpose of such objects is to ensure that armchair mappers will
>> not
>> >> >>>> remap it again. Object with note=* seem better than
>> >> highway=neverbuilt.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> In case of low risk of remapping by armachair mappers such ways
>> may
>> >> be
>> >> >>>> safely deleted.
>> >> >>>>
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